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[HawaiianPizza]

yeah get your votes off of three already
i might get on the fua wagon if we really did catch scum tripping but I'll wait for them to come back round first

pedit speak of the devil

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VOTE: Save The Dragons

[fua]

But apparently a random vote on someone seven hours into the game with flimsy justification makes me obvscum, so do what you will with that.

[House]

So... rereading cookie, and I have concerns.

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

1) Why would the mod give info not only about the existence of a traitor, but the fact they're bulletproof? What town utility comes from outing the fact the traitor is bulletproof?

cookie could have left the bulletproof bit out of his claim and let mafia sweat hitting their traitor at night, or think they're traitor was being protected if they did shoot them.

Mentioning the bulletproof bit could have easily been a message from traitor!cookie to his team.

i got some reads but will see if i am alive tomorrow to share them

Why would town hold off on posting reads after leading a wagon on what they felt was a solid chance at flipping red, knowing that it's probably their only chance to do so if scum flips?

Vc coming, redtea is currently e-1

I don't think cookie was worried about dying at all overnight.

VOTE: cool cookie

[fua]

So... rereading cookie, and I have concerns.

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

1) Why would the mod give info not only about the existence of a traitor, but the fact they're bulletproof? What town utility comes from outing the fact the traitor is bulletproof?

cookie could have left the bulletproof bit out of his claim and let mafia sweat hitting their traitor at night, or think they're traitor was being protected if they did shoot them.

Mentioning the bulletproof bit could have easily been a message from traitor!cookie to his team.

i got some reads but will see if i am alive tomorrow to share them

Why would town hold off on posting reads after leading a wagon on what they felt was a solid chance at flipping red, knowing that it's probably their only chance to do so if scum flips?

Vc coming, redtea is currently e-1

I don't think cookie was worried about dying at all overnight.

VOTE: cool cookie

So you think Cookie is a bulletproof traitor trying to signal to his team, and that redtea is one of the other two scum fakeclaiming to get the heat off of him since such a thing would align with his own role? I can’t imagine one being scum and not the other.

[House]

So... rereading cookie, and I have concerns.

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

1) Why would the mod give info not only about the existence of a traitor, but the fact they're bulletproof? What town utility comes from outing the fact the traitor is bulletproof?

cookie could have left the bulletproof bit out of his claim and let mafia sweat hitting their traitor at night, or think they're traitor was being protected if they did shoot them.

Mentioning the bulletproof bit could have easily been a message from traitor!cookie to his team.

i got some reads but will see if i am alive tomorrow to share them

Why would town hold off on posting reads after leading a wagon on what they felt was a solid chance at flipping red, knowing that it's probably their only chance to do so if scum flips?

Vc coming, redtea is currently e-1

I don't think cookie was worried about dying at all overnight.

VOTE: cool cookie

So you think Cookie is a bulletproof traitor trying to signal to his team, and that redtea is one of the other two scum fakeclaiming to get the heat off of him since such a thing would align with his own role? I can’t imagine one being scum and not the other.

It's possible, as Mafia typically don't know who the traitor is and vice versa, but I'm not as sold on red tea being scum anymore.

I've liked my interactions with him.

[fua]

Actually. @Three I’m seriously suspicious of you, but I’m willing to give you the benefit of the doubt here if you’re willing to do the same with me. It’s in both of our best interests to work on a compromise for today— in case you are town, then scum is obviously going to look to keep our wagons as the main focuses so that the spotlight isn’t turned on them. Both of us

do

give out a lot of content that could be useful to find each other later, so why don’t we let each other keep talking and try to reach a conclusion on something else?

TL;DR: You trust me and take your vote off me, I’ll trust you and take my vote off you.

[fua]

That makes sense. I’ll look over cookie’s ISO to see what I think.

[HawaiianPizza]

what is "gated"?

[House]

what is "gated"?

Restricted.

[House]

what is "gated"?

Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fall if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

[House]

what is "gated"?

Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fail* if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

Fix't

[Dwlee99]

STD I want you to convince me you're town so I can sheep you

[Dwlee99]

Almost50 replaces Wake88

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Where he at though

[House]

STD I want you to convince me you're town so I can sheep you

What's your take on 602?

[Dwlee99]

Wait I'm getting there

[Dwlee99]

I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

[HawaiianPizza]

what is "gated"?

Specifically, a Complex Vig can only shoot PR's. Their shot will fail* if they target a vanilla player (goon is considered vanilla scum).

Fix't

oh, i see

at first, i thought the traitor was just a bulletproof based on cookie's claim
then... about 490 (second quote)
this means the traitor has an ability, which is restricted like that?

not quite sure on redtea's claim now.

unsure why this "informed townie" would be a role in the game, haven't seen anything like that before.
but i still buy the claim and feel like we're overthinking it.

[fua]

I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

No, I don’t think the first part is necessary for scum to find their traitor? House is right that the reveal that there’s a bulletproof traitor doesn’t have that much town utility to begin with, since it means that mafia hitting their traitor allows them to figure out that the traitor is in their party in the first place, and lets them know not to push them as opposed to not knowing how their target survived giving way to uncertainty.

[fua]

Informed townie actually isn’t that rare of a role here.

[redtea]

don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.

I feel like voting for someone on Day 1 because we won’t be able to rely on them at the end of the game

is

really flimsy reasoning, to be honest. I definitely agree that he deserved to be limmed if he wasn’t replaced because I don’t tolerate that behavior on this site, but that post from Three feels like he’s trying to justify his vote a little bit too much.

I mean that's just what policy limming is.

My vote on Three is staying, sorry.

Do you have anything to say about your points against Three I refuted?

[redtea]

I kind of want to let Dwlee prove himself? Osetr’s posts aren’t alignment indicative in hindsight because 90% of his posts were just trolling.

I mean yeah no one's jumping on them

[Dwlee99]

I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

No, I don’t think the first part is necessary for scum to find their traitor? House is right that the reveal that there’s a bulletproof traitor doesn’t have that much town utility to begin with, since it means that mafia hitting their traitor allows them to figure out that the traitor is in their party in the first place, and lets them know not to push them as opposed to not knowing how their target survived giving way to uncertainty.

I thought House was saying that bulletproof was a nod to scum which I don't understand how

[fua]

don't tell him that was actually a pretty terrible take on osetr.

As it isn't true, I won't tell him that.

I feel like voting for someone on Day 1 because we won’t be able to rely on them at the end of the game

is

really flimsy reasoning, to be honest. I definitely agree that he deserved to be limmed if he wasn’t replaced because I don’t tolerate that behavior on this site, but that post from Three feels like he’s trying to justify his vote a little bit too much.

I mean that's just what policy limming is.

My vote on Three is staying, sorry.

Do you have anything to say about your points against Three I refuted?

I accept that I was wrong, but I still have my reservations regarding his status— although I’m not tunneled at all and am willing to turn my focus onto other people if he is as well. I know I’m town, so it’s up to him to move and I’ll follow suit.

[fua]

I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

No, I don’t think the first part is necessary for scum to find their traitor? House is right that the reveal that there’s a bulletproof traitor doesn’t have that much town utility to begin with, since it means that mafia hitting their traitor allows them to figure out that the traitor is in their party in the first place, and lets them know not to push them as opposed to not knowing how their target survived giving way to uncertainty.

I thought House was saying that bulletproof was a nod to scum which I don't understand how

My thought is that making the information that the traitor is bulletproof public helps mafia more than it helps town.

[House]

I don't really buy it. The mention of bulletproof would only be a signal if scum knew that the traitor was bulletproof, and normally traitor roles aren't known unless the scum team was informed of something like that. In FIA WRC the scum killed their traitor (t3 lol) because they didn't know what he had there, and I think it's safe to assume that they wouldn't know that information here either

No it wouldn't. All scum would have to know when reading cookie's post is that a traitor is in the game.

Cookie's "informed townie" claim was more helpful to scum than town if they DID NOT already know the traitor was bulletproof.

By offering up a miselim, cookie has a ready-made explanation for why he's not nk bait.