Micro 1029: 8-Ball (but with Wolves) Game Over

[House]

unoffical vc

2 the worst (Bingle, Morning Tweet)

2 imaginality (the worst, House)

2 Not Voting (imaginality, Something_Smart)

I mean... who else would you have killed though? All the other options seem bad and if you really wanted to keep all Wisdom wagon alive,

you had to kill worst or SS which are both valid mislims

Lol...

I mean if he's town and u kno dat

You're the one saying he's a viable mislim and voting him.

*shrug*

[Morning Tweet]

imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

[Morning Tweet]

You're the one saying he's a viable mislim and voting him.

*shrug*

he can only be nightkilled if he's town

Obviously he can't be nightkilled as scum

i am saying why they wouldnt NK worst

im not sayin he's town

[the worst]

imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

i'd counter that he doesn't really have many places to go atm. lol. the plist is small.

that said i'm also reasonably confident it's just {imagi,ss} so i'm definitely tunnelling.

[the worst]

my intuition still tells me the 8ball is in the {bingle,tw} dichotomy on hopes that bingle would double down and we'd just murder each other in the face.

Convenient view for {Bingle, the worst} scum team to hold

I can see why Bingle is an obv 8-ball candidate if town, but I don't see why scum would assume Bingle would have enough clout today to drive the lim on you, so you seeing yourself as likely 8-ball seems more like scum guiltiness, or defence against pressure being on you, compared with objectively justified.

it doesn't take a lot of imagination when you look back over at how lazy my iso was yesterday! i don't feel all that elim-proof!!
guilt is a really superficial alignment tell - i absolutely do feel guilty, but i feel guilty for being town who half-assed the first phase.

[Morning Tweet]

imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

i'd counter that he doesn't really have many places to go atm. lol. the plist is small.

that said i'm also reasonably confident it's just {imagi,ss} so i'm definitely tunnelling.

Lol it's true that there's like no one else

you figured out how to shake all ur stuff up he probably *could* do the same

Maybe he just doesnt want to bus partner SS though, it's possible.

[the worst]

while i should be yelling that your reads are silly!!! and this is never my scumgame!!!!!!! >:{ i do need to credit your reads for a moment. i pivoted from a half-baked push into reads which were becoming fairly obvious imo. i haven't really had super spicy takes this game.

[Something_Smart]

Scum team is MT & the worst.

Calling it.

oh good, my two townreads

[the worst]

i wish i was scum with MT

[Morning Tweet]

i wish i were scum with worstie

[Morning Tweet]

I feel stupid every time i vote imagine or worst

and there's no way SS is 8-ball probably maybe cause literally no one other than me ever votes him

so ??????????? maybe????? i should vote him first??? maybe that means one of imagine or worst is town

[imaginality]

imagine's insistence on worst/bingle being plausible rather than conceding bingle!town is almost towny. maybe

I feel like I've wasted an hour thinking about this game and got nowhere

i'd counter that he doesn't really have many places to go atm. lol. the plist is small.

that said i'm also reasonably confident it's just {imagi,ss} so i'm definitely tunnelling.

Lol it's true that there's like no one else

you figured out how to shake all ur stuff up he probably *could* do the same

Maybe he just doesnt want to bus partner SS though, it's possible.

I'd rather eliminate the worst so he can vengkill me and seal our budding plant-based friendship in cross-alignment mutual destruction.

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At this point in the day, I'm okay with an SS elimination, if we really can't get agreement on eliminating the worst (or Bingle scum which is clearly a lost cause for today).

How I see the SS elimination scenario playing out is fairly evenly split between SS-suspecters (alliteration!) getting to say they were right, and us being in true xlo tomorrow. With a small but exciting third possibility of 'welp SS was town 8-ball and we lost'. It's all the fun of Choose Your Own Adventure books!... without any of the possibility to dog-ear the previous page and turn back to it to escape our doom...

The downside of me compromising on SS today is I think if SS flips scum today we probably just lose tomorrow (or the day after depending on if SS was 8-ball) when you say that I was bussing SS to save myself and eliminate me.

Better downside than town losing me today though.

@Bingle @the worst

are you on board with limming SS today? Pretend you can't hear what the other one is saying, like prisoners' dilemma.

If one of you says yes then the scum team might be SS and the other player, if you both say yes scum team is still you.

. If you both say no then I'm the 8-ball

[Morning Tweet]

there's no way SS is the 8-ball right literally no one ever suggests him but me for some reason

Seriously I'm gonna be fuming if he's both town and 8-ball

[imaginality]

I think you and ducky are town because your slots pushed Alisae out of the gate on D2, which is clearly not something scum were aiming for. (The day ended with Alisae at 4 so the natural course of day 2 would have been to just kill him. But scum clearly weren't planning for that to happen.)

I still feel like this is very superficial logic:

MT and tw are town...
Because they pushed Alisae D2...
Which scum didn't plan for....
(I assume you believe this because Wisdom was 8-ball)

But scum wanting the day to end on Wisdom doesn't mean scum were planning to

start

the day pushing him. If anything that would risk being too obvious when we look back after the 8-ball flip. So MT and tw starting out on Alisae instead shouldn't be a big reason in and of itself to read them as town. Though SS here gives it as his main reason.

(I may have made this point previously. I was just rereading stuff and it stuck out as bad logic.)

[Something_Smart]

But scum wanting the day to end on Wisdom doesn't mean scum were planning to start the day pushing him.

The point is not this. The point is that an Alisae quicklim was a real possibility, because he had the support to die on D1 and didn't quite get there. And pushing Alisae on D2 isn't going to be sus, because so many people already suspected him. So if they wanted to push him anyway, why not make him 8-ball?

[Bingle]

Doesn’t that logic apply to everyone, though, SS? Like… if the scum team thinks Alihouse is an easy mislim who isn’t suspicious to push and will likely go through, why doesn’t *any* scum team pick Alihouse as the 8ball.

It seems like you’re using a really weak case against House to justify a townread on mt and duck, when it really doesn’t have much to do at all with mt and duck.

[Something_Smart]

Like… if the scum team thinks Alihouse is an easy mislim who isn’t suspicious to push and will likely go through, why doesn’t *any* scum team pick Alihouse as the 8ball.

Because he's scum/because they want to keep him around for later/because they weren't positioned well to push him, I guess?

[imaginality]

I forgot I'd unvoted to avoid a short day.
We've had like an extra 7 or so pages since then so
VOTE: the worst

[Morning Tweet]

I don't think im really feeling it today

Every time I try to scumhunt within worstie/imagine/SS i feel like I go nowhere and idk if that'll change today at least

it just feels like whoever i vote is going to end up being town and/or 8-ball

I don't think SS will be the 8-ball but i can conceivably believe worstie or imagine are town and 8-ball with the right team

[House]

it just feels like whoever i vote is going to end up being town and/or 8-ball

Welcome to my world.

[Something_Smart]

Who would make imagine the 8-ball?

[Morning Tweet]

Worst who predicted the Bingle wagon wouldnt go through, i guess? I dont know

[Something_Smart]

Wasn't he fairly townread yesterday though?

[the worst]

@Bingle @the worst are you on board with limming SS today? Pretend you can't hear what the other one is saying, like prisoners' dilemma.

Spoiler: NO BINGLE

yeah i am

[Morning Tweet]

Wasn't he fairly townread yesterday though?

ya well taly was super townread yesterday and we saw how that went