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[Almost50]

Also, here's a BIG FAVOUR I ask of you all: I am not going to take down notes and stuff, so you should collectively try to remind me why I TR'd/SR'd someone. Help an old guy, will you all?

[Almost50]

And I even landed a PAGETOP with that one.

[TheZenMan]

TBH, I am very suspicous about the redtea lynching wagon happening so fast and quick. Definetly wasn't a pure wagon and probably some scum bandwagoning there. If redtea really is vig then there are ways to confirm that (2 nks maybe). The only ones I'm seeing that could benefit of redtea dying at this point is probably scum.

[TheZenMan]

In case it isn't clear, I don't think scum actively try to do scummy things Day 1. This is the only Day where you can feasibly get somebody voted out for looking at you weird, so why the hell would scum blatantly try to look scummy right now?

Does any scum ever try to look scummy? You kind of just look for the ones that do the most scum things and hope for the best. Besides, if it was one of their own being a lynch target I could see them trying to save him and in the process acting scummy.

[Almost50]

I'm a town complex vigilante.

This is probably going to piss "someone" off, but..

I have reason to believe this is a true claim

[Dwlee99]

I'm a town complex vigilante.

This is probably going to piss "someone" off, but..

I have reason to believe this is a true claim

You're right

[Almost50]

I'd expect protective or investigative as a fake claim.

If House flips red; you can bet the Scum team has TWO Goons.

(I SWEAR I'm not on drugs. I am just letting my wild imagination go wherever and following it)

[Almost50]

Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

You make a sensible argument. I can't deny this.

OK.. go to the Town bin and wait for me please.

[Almost50]

And REMEMBER WHY I gave you a TR, because I doubt I will tbh.

[Almost50]

i'm ambivalent about the claim. an outted traitor doesn't serve much purpose for mafia, so there isn't anything we particularly lose by giving redtea a night to prove the claim. gut is i don't buy it though

Townie to Townie.. the claim is very likely true. Don't tell anyone I said that though.

[Almost50]

Vig fakeclaim is risky, as a real vig will just cc with a bullet.

real vig cant kill a bulletproof traitor

It's most likely be 1-shot, unless it's true the scum team is almost powerless (thus their power is in their numbers)

[Almost50]

I think redtea's reaction to being wagoned is bad.

Second strike.

[Almost50]

As a matter of fact..

VOTE: Jacket

My money is on this flipping a Scum PR (

the

Scum PR??)

[Almost50]

I kinda want to give them a night to see if there are 2 kills.

If they're town, scum probably does the job for us.

They get nowhere near Elo with that claim.

I'm probably going to claim by the end of my catch up to put this all to rest.

[Almost50]

In fact, why not NOW:

I am a Town BP Neighbour. At first, I though being a Neighbour was to make me a Miller to a TA/PT Cop (as is the fad), but with that claim it makes more sense for me to be the Miller for the Complex Vig. I mean, without the Neighborhood I could just claim VT if redtea claims to have shot me. However, if I do get shot in this case; my Neighbour will out me as their Neighbour and thus a PR who should have been dead.

@Dwlee: happy now?? Now Scum won't try to shoot me on N1 (or any other night). THAT IS WHY I don't feel the need to out everything I know upon "someone's request".

[TheZenMan]

Peace treaties and truces in mafia games are weird

Agree with this, to me it makes it seem like it was a fake fight just to not make town think they have any connection. Have seen scum do this before.

[TheZenMan]

VOTE: Almost50
A50 no post = ???

Lol, at this point you should have voted me since I had said nothing for days. A50 just got subbed in basically.

[Almost50]

The scum team never has Goons in a 2 Mafia + Traitor scenario

I was thinking 3 Mafia AND a Traitor (that auto-loses if the other 3 are dead). In my mind it makes more sense that the Vig is not all omnipotent over the Scum team, so at least one Goon. Traitor is by definition a PR themselves so can't be shot by a Complex Vig either.

[Almost50]

VOTE: Jacket

Obvious scum here.

You get a Town Lean for this alone. Not a full TR though (at least not yet)

[TheZenMan]

Mech talk bores me because scum and town can do it equally well so it's harder to get a read on it

Exactly this, it's a bad way to scumhunt by only talking mech. You can just argue facts back and forth but have no idea about alignment. As scum I would love to talk about mechanics though, it makes you seem really active and engaged with a really low chance of exsposing yourself.

[Jacket]

As a matter of fact..

VOTE: Jacket

My money is on this flipping a Scum PR (

the

Scum PR??)

Do you think I would deliberately antagonize the claimed vig as a scum PR?

[Almost50]

Then if we believe cookie and redtea, that means redtea is also effectively a pseudo cop.

No, it doesn't.

Redtea can't shoot goons, either.

They're considered vanilla scum.

OK.. I caught my brain fart before anyone else talked about it. Complex Vig CAN shoot the Traitor.

[Dwlee99]

In fact, why not NOW:

I am a Town BP Neighbour. At first, I though being a Neighbour was to make me a Miller to a TA/PT Cop (as is the fad), but with that claim it makes more sense for me to be the Miller for the Complex Vig. I mean, without the Neighborhood I could just claim VT if redtea claims to have shot me. However, if I do get shot in this case; my Neighbour will out me as their Neighbour and thus a PR who should have been dead.

@Dwlee: happy now?? Now Scum won't try to shoot me on N1 (or any other night). THAT IS WHY I don't feel the need to out everything I know upon "someone's request".

Who are you neighbors with?

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Almost50
A50 no post = ???

Lol, at this point you should have voted me since I had said nothing for days. A50 just got subbed in basically.

Idk who you are

[Almost50]

Ooooooh
Would 1 goon, 1 pr, and 1 traitor pr be balanced

I don't think so. That would be to little power for Scum, and with a BP Townie they could have failed to kill on one night too. But why am I acting like I know anything about game balancing??