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[Alexandrite]

VOTE: gypyx
he pinged me early so I'm very down for this wagon

-Gamma

[mastina]

thinking about it, mastina, maybe you should put a reduction to the number of peeps who should visit you? Like, restrict it to half the PL or something, cuz i doubt we'd gain much worth from 4-5 of our powerful PRs taking a shot on you on the long term

I mean the problem with that is, the only way we'd have to know who should be the PR targeting me is if we had a D1 massclaim--with that obviously being something we shouldn't do, that means we have no way of coordinating it. We don't know who the best person to target me would be. And we have no way of limiting the number of players targeting me, either.

So my solution was just to leave it to the PRs in question, that if they think their role is strong especially with a second person getting a 1x copy of it, to have them target me.

[mastina]

has Mastina changed her habit of never fake-claiming though?

Nope!

Didn't mastina do like exactly this in ydrssal and get mod killed

I've made my stance on that modkill being bullshit quite clear.

Anyone posting in the thread without explicitly discussing me and std is scum claiming

Actually I'd say it's closer to the opposite.

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;
I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group

more

likely to contain scum rather than less.

[Ralts]

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;

I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group more likely to contain scum rather than less.

That conclusion seems backwards given the sentences before this.

Did anyone in this group catch your eye?

[Ralts]

Also I too got TvT vibes from TSQ and STD's posting

[mastina]

I don’t like her readslist.

I admit I'm not happy about the amount of nulls and I'm not happy how weak my townreads are.

However, I am actually

quite

confident in my scumreads.

imaginality
T3
SirCakez

I talked about imaginality already, but my thoughts on T3 were immediately that this looked like T3's scum meta rather than his town meta. I'm not positive, obviously, so I'm less sure of T3 being scum than I was, but I'm still leaning scum meta more than town meta.

As for SirCakez?

I wasn't joking when I said that I legitimately, genuinely, think that SirCakez is just scum this game. I think this is SirCakez's scum meta as literally every post of his is screaming "this is SirCakez as scum". But beyond the generic things, I can actually point you to something more specific that I found highly damning:

VOTE: wisdom
let's murder him before he gets back from V/LA

VOTE: SirCakez
Even though I'm not scumreading this opening (not townreading it either but not scumreading it, is null), SirCakez draws scum in 100% of his games it seems so we may as well save him the misery of another scumgame and vote him out.

fuck this is like Peta and I's dynamic

If SirCakez were town, the response from my post saying "he's always scum so we may as well vote him out" I would expect to be: " ", or maybe " ".
Though not as town as he could do it as scum as well, it could even have ben "lol".

It's something that, if SirCakez were town, I'd expect him to take in good humor, laugh along, and find amusing.

But this response was basically dead serious, and the dead serious treatment of the "SirCakez is always scum", rather than treating it in good humor, is what makes me think that SirCakez is scum here.

So my vote there is dead serious.

[T3]

This also looks like my town meta though

[T3]

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

Reflexively don't believe this either. Or extremely misleading.

W/e

mastina doesn't fakeclaim

[mastina]

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

hmmmmmm

This seems like a good time to mention I'm back to thinking T3's scum by meta.

Milobird
Save the Dragons
Firebringer
Thestatusquo
Wisdom

Truth Innuendos Lies
Sharing the Brain Cell

WhemeStar
Kitty Trauma Team
Dwlee99
Ralts

Alexandrite
The Goat
Gypyx
chowchow
Woolax
SleepyKrew

imaginality

T3
SirCakez

[Ralts]

Yo, will be back here to read and give reads later but for now just wanted to claim this;

I am a 1x reflexive role-copier

; I will get a one-shot copy of the first power to target me. So,

if you think your power is pretty damn strong especially if a second player can use it, you should target me N1

.

Reflexively don't believe this either. Or extremely misleading.

W/e

mastina doesn't fakeclaim

Like ever?

I thought her claim could've been a PGO ploy given how she doesn't seem willing to narrow down the list of people who should target her, even though her role presumably can only copy one other role.

but if this is actually true, mastina should be out of the d1 lim pool.

[Woolax]

never ever

- Wooper

[T3]

Spoiler: img

VOTE: std

~ chowchow

hello, use your words please. like actual words, not pokemon babble and not drawings.

VOTE: chowchow

avoiding giving actual content combined with the leap onto the current (I think?) biggest wagon pings scummy to me. haven't decided yet if I think it's scum leaping on a scum wagon or if I think this makes STD more likely to be town, but I also think scum-team speculation is useless at best and anti-town at worst on day one so, mehhhh I'll just make a note of that part for later evaluation I guess (and maybe also see what B. thinks) idk.

-q

VOTE: stbc
You're arguing that oneliners are scummy

[T3]

VOTE: esuriospiritus

MINDS BE MELDING

[T3]

Wait nvm I actually love chow's posts

Yeah but I cant read them off drawings

If one head of chow’s is Hectic, he has pretty good reads. He caught all the scum in me v Titus.

~I

This doesn't look like Hectic art though

[T3]

Reading Mastina correctly in this game is super important considering her claim.

lol no

She claims she can copy a tpr role, so how is that not important?

~I

Either way it's probably real regardless of alignment.

[T3]

good dayvig
I can never read him

Are you usually this jokey?

[T3]

I understand that people still want to meme if they didn't get their fill of memes earlier but I think there's enough thats happened here that people should not be memeing.

if you want to reduce the memes in the game, have you considered eliminating chowchow!

(I'm still down to go back to voting STD if that gets momentum)

chowchow is very likely town - especially if it’s Hectic.

I’m not sure how I feel about StD yet. I think his reaction to fire wagon was a bit over the top but beyond that I’m unsure.

~I

This strong of a read probably comes from town.

[T3]

Don’t worry guys I have the perfect snarky response if y’all miselim them

I have trained under miltank for many a year for this snark

how dare you

[mastina]

is "wood" really a crumb....knowing mastina it probably is but w/e

Wood

n't you like to know.

I think T3 is town now.

I don't. T3's posts just are lacking something to them. The content within is fine, it's just that the content is just...lacking something that T3 has as town.

[Sharing the Brain Cell]

might reassess STD vote

Nope. I'm happy sticking with this. Active in the game but almost completely contentless. Not really committing to any reads or anything, just kinda there.

The Whemestar interaction around the Mareep claim is the most signal we've gotten out of their noise, but I don't think it's alignment indicative. (I did get a good laugh out of "I'm mareep, you dolt" though. Kudos.)

@brain, why do so many of your posts have so many words and so little content?

1) Rich, coming from the slot that went "writing 400 posts about whether an anonymous hydra does or does not contain a particular player is a good use of my time".
2) Have you seen the way Quinn talks normally? They either blather on for 40 pages or they post a one-liner. It's what they do.

I think TIL is town, despite my annoyance at their question (and honestly wishing I thought the chowchow fixation made them scum because that's also annoying), but there's gotta be at least two scum on our wagon now just by like... math.

With that in mind, my reads on this:

Sharing the Brain Cell (6): SirCakez, Firebringer, Whemestar, Wisdom, Gypyx, Truth innuendos Lies

Town (6): Null, Slight town, leaning scum, town, null leaning scum, town.

Would be happy to vote either Whemestar or Gypyx if those wagons pick up/the STD one dies.

I'll also say it's frustrating that even the people I think are town on our wagon don't really have any reasoning behind their votes and aren't trying to ask us questions or etc. in order to assess their read further? I feel like we've given plenty of feedback on what STD has done that reads scummy to us, and plenty of reads in general, and it's frustrating to have that reciprocated. There's no case (and therefore nothing to respond to), it's mostly just people not vibing with our tone. To which I say: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We're both neurodivergent. Deal with it.

- B.

PEDIT: T3 is a leanscum too but I think my confidence goes STD >> Whemestar >>>>> Gypyx >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> T3.

[Sharing the Brain Cell]

In particular:

You're arguing that oneliners are scummy

We're really,

really

not. Hella misrep, my dude.

- B.

[Ralts]

Nancy how do you feel about me
What if i told you std is town

UNVOTE:

I tr you.

~I

Can you go into your thought process here? You thought STD was scummy and a couple of your townreads were also voting there. Why is Wisdom's post enough to override that?

[Sharing the Brain Cell]

frustrating to have that reciprocated.

Frustrating to not* have that reciprocated.

Ugh.

- B.

[Sharing the Brain Cell]

In particular:

You're arguing that oneliners are scummy

We're really,

really

not. Hella misrep, my dude.

- B.

More on this:

Wisdom is literally my strongest townread right now and has nothing

but

one-liners, so ????

- B.

[mastina]

I am aware that both you and STD are experienced enough scum players to make a SvS or SvT fight look TvT, HOWEVER:
I think you are town by your posting;
I think STD is town by his posting;
I think the fight between you and STD looks town on both ends;

I think the people who have said the fight is TvT directly are, overall, a group more likely to contain scum rather than less.

That conclusion seems backwards given the sentences before this.
Did anyone in this group catch your eye?

It's not backwards, because in a TvT fight the scum are more likely going to say "this fight is TvT" and do nothing about it--I realize I didn't work to defuse it, and I realize there could be and will be town who similarly didn't work to defuse it, but I still think that there would be scum who just called it TvT and did nothing about it.

I'd need to go back to that section of the game to check for the names more likely to be scum calling it TvT tho.