Large normal 236 [Game over]

[NorwegianboyEE]

The "Make Norwee and Koba doubt each other" tactic is not going to work mate. Not for one second.

[cool cookie]

Or did you expect me to say: "No Dkkoba, we are not masons! Now please stop wagoning me and vote SSB!"
Does that seem smart to you when i was close to 100% convinced Dkkoba was town and SSB was scum?

Also you brought up a ton of really bad arguments, i don't care if you caught attention on me. But you literally say things like: "There was no reason for two experienced players to lie about their roles yesterday". My fucking ass it was. Did you see how hard it was to fucking kill SSB? Dkkoba claiming mason with me is literally the only way we'd get town to listen.

im sure you are a big individual who can take a little heat! In hindsight, you fakeclaimed yesterday to get yourself off the chopping block - it wasn't really anything to do with SSB. now you've been outted it begs the question again of why you are nearly 100% confident koba is town, which you couldn't defend yesterday. I think whichever way you cut it, it doesn't look good for you in my opinion. generally townies should only lie if they have a good game-advancing reason, not just to save their own skin. and especially to lie and fake confirm another player is a really crazy play for town which could even throw the game if you're wrong. but i think you are a very established and sensible player who would know better than that.

[cool cookie]

The "Make Norwee and Koba doubt each other" tactic is not going to work mate. Not for one second.

i think mafia could be just a game of logic and reasoning - defending your positions with arguments. nobody can do much of value with "I'm near 100% sure koba is town, but i can't share my reason" or even a well-intentioned "i have solid meta this player is mafia despite the case objectively not being so strong". my opinion doesnt mean much, but it's worth saying that if you're not a mason, you probably don't know each other's alignment for sure unless you're both mafia. it would be farcical to take anything as a given beyond that - many games are lost because people can't revisit their reads. no dirty tactics here, just an observation about fact vs belief.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In hindsight, you fakeclaimed yesterday to get yourself off the chopping block

I didn't. It wasn't even my idea. If you doubt me so much. Why don't you ask why Koba why they would take the risk in fake claiming mason with an player they didn't technically know the alignment off?
Maybe you should just trust them on this one?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe you should just trust them on this one?

Or well, everyone should trust them on this one? I don't really care if you do.

[cool cookie]

my gun-to-head scumread would be Almost50 I think. only on the elim wagon by coincidence (a semi-random vote which never moved), and the interaction between Almost50 and kyouko preceding that vote was a little too familiar. also Almost50 was at pains today to profess self as locktown, despite the above and not being a vocal proponent of the wagon, which seems a little desperate. also i think Almost50-scum means Ranny-town, which is helpful info.

that may be my last words, so good luck town!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is that your last words.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you sign up to play mafia then you should participate to the end.

[cool cookie]

In hindsight, you fakeclaimed yesterday to get yourself off the chopping block

I didn't. It wasn't even my idea. If you doubt me so much. Why don't you ask why Koba why they would take the risk in fake claiming mason with an player they didn't technically know the alignment off?
Maybe you should just trust them on this one?

You admitted already that you went along with it though, and the proof is in the thread. your claim is that you chose not to be honest, and the direct results of your dishonesty was you saving your own life.

I think koba is a renegade and might have a personality which likes to do crazy things. also looking at koba's approach on Day 1, I can see a blind spot towards those who go along with koba's own opinion so I would always take that with a big pinch of something.

But the short answer is no, I wouldn't blindly trust someone (who may even be mafia themselves) who claims someone is confirmed town without a good reason. that is not good play for a town.

[cool cookie]

Why is that your last words.

i think we have generally agreed I would be a good elimination today, so according to the rules I won't be able to post once I've died according to the rules.

[cool cookie]

I wonder a little bit if your questions are superficial. even when you asked me my reads you later admitted you didnt care for them. so i think you are bad-faithing me a bit here Norwegianboy

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wonder a little bit if your questions are superficial. even when you asked me my reads you later admitted you didnt care for them. so i think you are bad-faithing me a bit here Norwegianboy

No, i'm just wrestling with whether you are scum or town going back at it with the bad scumreads on me like you had pre-mason claim.

Something i'd never do if i was scum btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also an extreme lack of partner analyzis in regards to me is causing me to wonder why your reads are like this. So you bring up that you scumread A50 because they had what you perceived as awkward partnery behaviour with the flipped scum. (SSB)
But when talking about me you don't even mention my interactions with SSB or how they causate to the game but only focus on completely irrelevant topics at hand to explain why i could possibly be scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is your mind just... working like this?

[cool cookie]

I wonder a little bit if your questions are superficial. even when you asked me my reads you later admitted you didnt care for them. so i think you are bad-faithing me a bit here Norwegianboy

No, i'm just wrestling with whether you are scum or town going back at it with the bad scumreads on me like you had pre-mason claim.

Something i'd never do if i was scum btw.

i'm sure you could pretend to do it as scum, which is what i'd already posited you appear to be doing here. asking questions is easy, but town ask genuine questions they want to know the answers to. i can always be proven wrong though

[NorwegianboyEE]

On the one hand, i think your arguments are sowing seeds that will come back to haunt the town because they are misleading and wrong. But on the other hand i don't really think you'd be ok with getting elimmed if scum here. It could be just pretending, but i'm gonna roll with my next on the PoE for now.

VOTE: Nero Cain

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Nero

[cool cookie]

Also an extreme lack of partner analyzis in regards to me is causing me to wonder why your reads are like this. So you bring up that you scumread A50 because they had what you perceived as awkward partnery behaviour with the flipped scum. (SSB)
But when talking about me you don't even mention my interactions with SSB or how they causate to the game but only focus on completely irrelevant topics at hand to explain why i could possibly be scum.

we can only do so much with finite time my friend. i dont realistically think you're going to be eliminated any time soon, so my comments on you are mostly to raise a flag that i think you are worth keeping an eye on. Almost50 seems more to be somebody who town could actually eliminate tomorrow. but yeah, i cant really say much more about a comparison between the two. a simplistic take would be that you pushed hard on SSB because koba did - you could do that as town or scum so the partner interaction may be less noteworthy.

[cool cookie]

On the one hand, i think your arguments are sowing seeds that will come back to haunt the town because they are misleading and wrong. But on the other hand i don't really think you'd be ok with getting elimmed if scum here. It could be just pretending, but i'm gonna roll with my next on the PoE for now.

VOTE: Nero Cain

tbh as soon as i saw the flip i was like "ah shit, i'm getting it tomorrow then". and better to just elim me than out a power role - we are already in a good position.

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like we really should be prosecuting the fact that ranny ignored the hood overnight

[DkKoba]

Id like the replacement for nero to speak before we powerlim it

[DkKoba]

The "Make Norwee and Koba doubt each other" tactic is not going to work mate. Not for one second.

this

[Titus]

VOTE: Rannygazoo

[Kerset]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

With 15 players alive it takes 8 to eliminate

cool cookie (3): Almost50, House, T3,
Rannygazoo (2):Gamma Emerald, Titus,
Nero Cain (2): NorwegianBoyEE, Dwlee99,
Mama Ru (1): Andresvmb,
Titus (0):
DkKoba (0):
Dwlee99 (0):
T3 (0):
NorwegianBoyEE (0):
Almost50 (0):
LicketyQuickety (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
GrandpaMo (0):
Andresvmb (0):
House (0):

Not voting (7): Mama Ru, Nero Cain, Rannygazoo, LicketyQuickety, cool cookie, GrandpaMo, DkKoba,

Deadline: (expired on 2021-10-15 07:00:00)

V/LA: none

[DkKoba]

kyouko lived and can vote????


wtf how can we kill her now she isnt even in the votecount anymore rn