In post 2146, Lady Lambdadelta wrote: In post 2143, MegAzumarill wrote: In post 2141, Gorkington wrote:
lld wrote:Why did Navi the VT die over The Worst, the CLAIMED PR?
i feel like scum can be uncomfortable pushing a claimed PR based on optics? even if it would have technically been the optimal thing to do, if i were scum in this game i would have been incredibly uncomfortable trying to push that wagon through knowing how hard it would be to justify how it looks with the flip.
Not only that, from a scum perspective they also probably don't know if Navi is a PR, and Navi would theoretically be much harder elimination on a later phase than TW (as if TW's role was confirmable as town they'd probably have said so) I'd say its still a viable choice for scum to pick a navi wagon over TW there.
I don't really enjoy your attitude of "can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid"
It feels very chainsawy and self-preservy.
Doesn't give off solvy vibes, just
trying to stay alive
vibes
Breaking this down point by point
1) Navi is not a harder elimination than the worst as proven by yesterday. Navi was checked out and elimination bait, the worst is actively defended.
Navi was primarily scumread do to giving up (for lack of a better term) under pressure. They easily could have jumped back in the town's eyes with convincing d2 play. TW's scumcase is built on specific interactions that numerous people find scummy, which is unlikely to change how people feel about said interactions in the future (without flips) Ergo, a TW scumcase would be an easier push on any future day than a navi push.
2) "Can't have anything scummy against me ever be valid" You haven't provided anything scummy. You've said, and I quote "LLD's entrance is bad" and "I reconsidered and it's still bad". Well, I don't think my entrance is bad, and more over, I know I'm town so why would I agree with your assessment here? Not only are you not saying anything about WHY my entrance is bad that I can defend myself against, but also you're talking as if you expect me to agree with you that I'm scummy somehow.
I think some valid points have been brought up by TW that I agree with. You treat them mostly with how I describe in 2.1
2.1) Also, I have, infact, copped to several things I've done this game. Including when Dwlee said I went 0 to 100. If you'll recall, I said "yep I did that, I don't agree it's scummy". So I have, infact, agreed to what others are saying. Your issue here is that I won't admit to being scummy which, given I know my rolepm says town, would be literal game throwing to do.
You admit here that you aren't responding with actual defense of your actions, just stating that they aren't scummy. Exactly my point as to why they don't hold weight or serve as a defense of your position. Also the GT argument here is very strong language for something literally every townie does in some way or another each game. (nobody looks perfectly townie, that's an unrealistic standard)
3)That's not what Chainsaw means. Chainsaw means defending someone else. Much like the way you defended the Worst yesterday. Chainsaw means stepping in front of someone else's questioning line to defend a person when you're not involved. For someone who agreed that I was apparently using buzzwords yesterday, you're using one here and misapplying it.
I'm sorry if I misuse the term here, though in this context I was using it as "countering an argument by discrediting it instead of challenging it"
3.1) I'm being self preservationist because I know I'm town and I'm arguing against bad arguments? I would note that I have yet to do any kind of self preservation arguments, but even if I have, defending yourself against pushes and making others see you as town is as important to being town as catching scum is. It's not scummy to argue why you're not scum.
You agree that trying to accurately sort slots is important. But i don't see any evidence of you trying to do that this game. In fact I have given evidence to the contrary (will quote next post)
4)I have literally been trying to solve this game since the moment I entered, and you should know this because that entrance of mine you are critiquing? The one you say is scummy? Involves me trying to solve and sort Dwlee's alignment. I have also stated townreads on several players, and even given a semblance of a readslist to explain my positions on multiple players.
This doesn't feel like the case and I have already shown why it doesn't seem that way (see following quote)
4.1) "Just trying to stay alive": see 3.1
Your argument holds no water, as explained above, and none of this is remotely a good reason to scum read someone.
Further, your focus on me lays bare something interesting. For someone concerned that I'm not doing any solving? Why aren't you trying to solve the game, Meg? You're hyper focusing on me and giving basically nothing while doing it, why aren't you engaging in other places trying to solve?
I have given my poe pool of where I think scum lies. The fact is that you are the slot I would love to see eliminated today. Even if you flip green I don't think you are being reasonable from a town perspective.
