Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Gamma Emerald]

Emotions are a thing regardless of alignment and getting mad at people for having them is bad behavior imo
If murdercat really wants to give up on the game that’s valid and I’m not gonna try to change his mind, but it’s nothing to read into

[MegAzumarill]

now u see why i want gamma to expand. lol.

Gamma

[the worst]

agree with #2250.

how are you going with the things people actually want you to talk about?

[unwnd]

Emotions are a thing regardless of alignment and getting mad at people for having them is bad behavior imo
If murdercat really wants to give up on the game that’s valid and I’m not gonna try to change his mind, but it’s nothing to read into

..Who's mad?

[Gamma Emerald]

shot over players like kazyan

huh?

Kazyan is pretty widely TRed to the point that scum might want to kill him for that. Gork meanwhile was also TRed and also had charisma. I don’t feel like unwnd was TRed enough or present enough to get shot.

[Gamma Emerald]

Emotions are a thing regardless of alignment and getting mad at people for having them is bad behavior imo
If murdercat really wants to give up on the game that’s valid and I’m not gonna try to change his mind, but it’s nothing to read into

..Who's mad?

I’m kinda speaking on behalf of another friend who had an issue with someone where that someone got mad at my friend for having genuine emotion and bringing those up in the game and unintentionally getting TR for it. I don’t think that’s a fair or okay way to treat someone.

[the worst]

removing folks who are a lot more likely to be eliminated than NKed atp {mcat, lld, gamma, megazu, dwlee???} + myself for obvious reasons (also i STILL feel like i kinda fit into the first category a little )

high nk equity: {unwnd, gork, pooky}
mid nk equity: {dannflor, house}
low nk equity: {kazyan}
between these categories haaallpp: {dwlee}
not NKs (elims): {mcat, lld, gamma, megazu}

of those in the high NK equity box, there's a few reasons i protected unwnd:

an aside:

i will protect gork or pooky 100% of the time if i think they're likely to be NK'd over anyone else. i'd rather clear them than see them die or whatever. but, frankly, i wouldn't shed a tear if either of them flipped. they're both active, and assertive, but they both fit in that earlier category i spoke about earlier where their read baseline formed much earlier in the day. i happen to know that i'm town so i'm aware that there's issues with

shea

the status quo PoE. i'm also noting that if LLD is town, scum are in a wonderful position to coast on the current thread tone and hope things shake out. MCat is similar to Navi. regardless of his alignment, the flip is underwhelming. that said i'd still like to hit scum so like, .

unwnd

unwnd and I found each other very very late on d1. this creates a couple of problems for scum: not to be too self-serving, but i am both a TPR and my reputation for lategame townplay is like, not bad? if inconsistent. so i'm a very good early miselim! the other side to unwnd finding me is that unwnd showed an ability to reconsider reads in a fairly significant way, and also make decisions which contradict the status quo. this is a sign of a player who is likely to be a long-term problem, if town.

Gorky

assuming he's town: our magnificent and beloved protagonist Gorkington (not ironic, you are great gork) is like. such an obvious nightkill via thread presence that there's no reason any scumteam shoots him unless they don't really believe in their ability to control narrative at any level. there's a few reasons why it's not worth making.
- given he showed signs of enforcing the status quo late d1, removing him means a lower % of living players are enforcing the status quo. a chaotic zeitgeist is scary for scum, and i think gork is currently like.. not predictable exactly? but has a fairly steady read trajectory and is hard to shake.
- if my assumption that i'm a high-equity miselim is correct: he isn't reevaluating his read on me, so removing him would remove another quiet yell of "roast duck!"
- via thread presence he's a rly obvious kill and in a theme that just looks like a magnet for protective roles.

Pooks

pooky is widely townread but fairly unlikely to actually be shot unless scum are just culling the herd. he could fall one bracket, but i spent a bit of time contemplating protecting him, so i've left him where he is. the decision i reached is that he's probably never actually going to be n1'd here because even if his reads *are* good, he has shown no ability to reevaluate. unless he fixes his trajectory fairly soon he's just going to continue to lose credibility. he spent the last few days of d1 drunkenly spamming about roast duck so i don't really think there's any chance he's sitting on some like, epic turnaround which scum didn't see coming.



if you can't work out why a player is in the high NK equity box, read this post again and then dispute it qualitatively rather than throwing questions at me, please. happy to field any other questions.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

how am i high nk equity if you're town

wouldn't scum just keep me alive so i can keep drunkposting about roast duck

[the worst]

I think I addressed that already - you're only high nk equity if they're calling the herd and you're kinda just widely townread.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

damn duckie is so charming i find myself re-evaluating him even tho I love eating roast duck this is wild

[the worst]

jeez what. i feel so uncharming in this game.

[MegAzumarill]

Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

[unwnd]

Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

You called Gamma scum multiple times in your ISO?

This doesn't track

[unwnd]

Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

[MegAzumarill]

Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

Yes but also citation needed on me calling gamma scum

[the worst]

Question: Why is a wagon forming on Gamma?

They only want to pile-drive in a poor little defenseless townie?
What's the harm in that?

gamma is an innocent angel.
never much liked angels.

Unless I completely read it wrong and you're saying

They as in Gamma only wants to pile-drive a poor defenseless townie

i think it was ironic

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I'm half serious that her biggest read is me as hard scum.

Unlikely for a scum to tunnel vision a townie d1 with no support from allies (that I saw at least)

I'm actually thinking she's town here. Her reasonings seem genuine (although I think incorrect)

[Kazyan]

LLD isn't responding to my challenge against her shitpush and 2167 and 2169 by Meg are great observations, being both townie and damning. LLD has thrown terrible, terrible shade arguments against multiple people and responds to everything by basically yelling "NOT AN ARGUMENT" over and over because I guess she thinks we don't know what arguments are. Then the blatant Appeal To You Being Clearly An Idiot for anyone who doesn't see why Navi flipping green has nothing to do with her flipping red.

I want LLD gone. She's transparently scummy, and if she's town, she will cast the losing vote in ELo when scum says some nonsense and she declines to read the thread. I still want that delicious confirmation of The Worst being town if she's scum.

[the worst]

I think we should just kill scum instead so we never hit ELo

[Kazyan]

Y...Yeah. To clarify, I don't think LLD is actually an intellectually dishonest person, just scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

I mean I'm half serious that her biggest read is me as hard scum.

Unlikely for a scum to tunnel vision a townie d1 with no support from allies (that I saw at least)

I'm actually thinking she's town here. Her reasonings seem genuine (although I think incorrect)

I don’t normally get particular about this but I’m starting to get confused despite knowing you’re talking about me, so I’d like to clarify my pronouns are he/him.

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD isn't responding to my challenge against her shitpush and 2167 and 2169 by Meg are great observations, being both townie and damning. LLD has thrown terrible, terrible shade arguments against multiple people and responds to everything by basically yelling "NOT AN ARGUMENT" over and over because I guess she thinks we don't know what arguments are. Then the blatant Appeal To You Being Clearly An Idiot for anyone who doesn't see why Navi flipping green has nothing to do with her flipping red.

I want LLD gone. She's transparently scummy, and if she's town, she will cast the losing vote in ELo when scum says some nonsense and she declines to read the thread. I still want that delicious confirmation of The Worst being town if she's scum.

I read the second paragraph and instantly put this in the “ignore” bin as this comes off very strongly as personally motivated bias.

[MegAzumarill]

Sorry about pronouns

My bad

[the worst]

Y...Yeah. To clarify, I don't think LLD is actually an intellectually dishonest person, just scum.

kinda same but i'm also starting to wonder if she and i just disagree about a couple of like, more core tenets.
i think it sort of makes sense given she has a tonne more experience than me and more establishment in different eras of meta/different community metas and i just like yelling a lot

[the worst]

I mean I'm half serious that her biggest read is me as hard scum.

Unlikely for a scum to tunnel vision a townie d1 with no support from allies (that I saw at least)

I'm actually thinking she's town here. Her reasonings seem genuine (although I think incorrect)

snap i misread this as LLD for a minute and i was so, so confused

what about gamma's reads are genuine? lol