Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD isn't responding to my challenge against her shitpush and 2167 and 2169 by Meg are great observations, being both townie and damning. LLD has thrown terrible, terrible shade arguments against multiple people and responds to everything by basically yelling "NOT AN ARGUMENT" over and over because I guess she thinks we don't know what arguments are. Then the blatant Appeal To You Being Clearly An Idiot for anyone who doesn't see why Navi flipping green has nothing to do with her flipping red.

I want LLD gone. She's transparently scummy, and if she's town, she will cast the losing vote in ELo when scum says some nonsense and she declines to read the thread. I still want that delicious confirmation of The Worst being town if she's scum.

I have won more games, caught more scum and have 10 years worth of experience on you.

I have a reputation on this site for being good at this game.

I have the record for the highest ever qualifier vote total on MafiaUniverse's Mafia Championships, and came 4th the year I played after winning both my games.

Please consider that rather than me not reading and apparently being... too stupid to read the game in ELO and too bad to ever get it right?

That maybe you are a closed minded individual who cannot see other playstyles past their own nose, and that you should consider opening your mind and actually asking "Hmm, what are LLD's motivations for her actions?" instead of just behaving like this.

This is the nicest way I can word this. I have re-written this response to your insult of a post about 5 times and kept getting angry, which I am trying not to do! Please consider this a nice way of saying "you're a jerk and I am a veteran who has proven my skill in this game multiple times over".

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Also, some extra advice, since I had to learn this lesson the hard way myself?

Prefacing your posts and suspicions of other players with insults of their play sufficient that you can protect your fragile ego from any culpability of being wrong on someone might seem like a good way to make yourself look better at mafia.

But I assure you, it only makes you look silly, it makes people frustrated with you, and you don't really improve until you realize that you can only control things you do, which is reading others. If you misread someone, that's on you. The context and ability to find them town was always there. Maybe it's hard, maybe you can't right then. That happens. I still make mistakes too.

But these statements that I'm playing wrong or that I'll make the wrong vote in ELO?

It's nothing more than fragile ego protection that will never help you improve. Ditch it as soon as you can.

[Dwlee99]

Who should we be voting here

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Who should we be voting here

I'm sheeping Unwnd because I think it'll provide info.

I'm good to vote inside Gamma/Megazumaril/Murdercat today, but I'd love to hear back from MC before we do anything like that. I kind of feel like MC might be town?

[Dwlee99]

I think MC is town but the other two could flip anything maybe. I thought gamma was town last day phase and now I forget why I thought that.

[the worst]

I thought Wake was scum while I was reading up tbh yhis d1 was super peculiar

I do think Gamma > Megazu > MCat are my elim preferences in that bracket but like, MCat could go either way. so could megazu I guess.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think MC is town but the other two could flip anything maybe. I thought gamma was town last day phase and now I forget why I thought that.

I feel like MC's wedding post reads extremely like real frustration from town. The worry is that the pain of constantly being run up is AI, so the frustration could be masked.

[the worst]

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

[the worst]

when I reread it late yday I was like "ah dang when he's available he's trying to solve" and otherwise didn't think twice about his irl busyness I don't think?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?

[House]

I've had a busy day at work today, and tomorrow will be worse.

I'll see if I can't hammer out some sort of an opinion. I'm exhausted, though.

[House]

Just on this page alone, I know I don't have the energy to dig into LLD.

Fuck walls & information overload.

[House]

I don't get the Gamma votes.

He's looking pretty town, to me.

Seems to have more nk equity than lim equity.

[House]

{Dwlee, Dannflor, Worst, Unwnd}

This is my town list. Gamma is dead null as far as I'm concerned, and I agree a vote there is a waste of time right now.

The early Kaz wagon seems scum inflated imo, and the worst vote there is Meg, who also jumped onto the kid wagon.

VOTE: Meg

Gross.

MCat has been making nothing-burger posts up to this point, and votes obvious LHF.

I read Meg's d1 posts, and they came across as uninvested, not scum-aligned.

This vote looks "safe". Like MCat wants to avoid scrutiny.

to me the candidness/frankness here feels like something less likely to come from mafia who wants to look like theyre scumhunting.

To me that reads like someone who doesn't have a good answer to the question

Like, when he shades a player, he does so in an indirect manner instead of being directly accusatory.

I don't believe that's a real read

Finally an accusation... but it's one with no meat to it. Calling someone a liar and dropping the mic accomplishes nothing.

Think I'm retired after this game, me getting run up D1 every game is not fun for anyone.

So instead of "git gud", you plan to quit?

Let's use your strategy: I don't believe that's a real opinion.

See how unproductive that statement is? Stop it.

Murdercat you can't retire cause then we can't make funny mini Kodak moments together anymore then

idk both white flag and this game are making me feel like I just don't have the time anymore. I think most players really underestimate how much activity factors into their reads. I thought if I just played a few games where I was less active people would get used to my new meta but I guess not.

Bullshit.

There's a lot of players that don't top the activity list that aren't lim-bait, because they town the fuck up when they DO post.

You're just leaning on AtE to provoke pity.

1241 - now THIS is what you need to do. Provide analysis when you're here and stop sweating how many posts you make.

I had a hard dislike of your slot until this post. Now, I want to see what else you have.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

{Dwlee, Dannflor, Worst, Unwnd}

This is my town list. Gamma is dead null as far as I'm concerned, and I agree a vote there is a waste of time right now.

The early Kaz wagon seems scum inflated imo, and the worst vote there is Meg, who also jumped onto the kid wagon.

VOTE: Meg

Wait wait wait wait

Dwlee is... well, Dwlee I'm still not sure on but

Worst Unwnd Dannflor is like... assumign no role fuckery gambit shit from Worst, the top 3 townies in the game rn.

and then voting Meg... mmm

I actually think this might be town MC, lol

[the worst]

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?

I am, I'm not seeing it in MCat's posts. I think you're making assumptions about MCat's personality and insinuations about tones in his post which I don't see at all.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?

I am, I'm not seeing it in MCat's posts. I think you're making assumptions about MCat's personality and insinuations about tones in his post which I don't see at all.

I see them pretty strongly, though I admit I've played with MC quite a bit before so maybe it's just comfort level?

[Thestatusquo]

The TV screen flickers and changes

VoteCount 2.2

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 2 ]

kazyan, megazumarill

Murdercat (he) [ 2 ]

gorkington, lady lambdadelta

gamma emerald (he) [ 2 ]

the worst, unwnd

The Worst (he) [ 1 ]

pookythemagicalbear

MegAzumarill (doesn't care) [ 1 ]

gamma emerald

Not Voting [ 4 ]

dwlee99, house, murdercat, dannflor

With 12 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-13 13:25:31)

[the worst]

MC's irl posts do nothing for me.. He is just frustrated because he needs more of a pass than we're giving him.. Like am I cold or am I missing something specifically juicy about his posting?

You really can't search for the difference in intentfulness and tone between someone's frustration?

Like... seriously? I get that theoretically, this is possible for MC. Like, wanting more of a pass is... a way to describe that.

But WHY he wants that pass and the emotional resonance behind that reason, that reflects the alignment.

He's talking about being run up Day 1 (as town) for no reason. That kind of frustration would really boil over. It's hard to have that frustration as scum, and not have it come off as caught for the wrong reasons in an emotional way.

Like... you're not looking for this kind of thing at all?

I am, I'm not seeing it in MCat's posts. I think you're making assumptions about MCat's personality and insinuations about tones in his post which I don't see at all.

I see them pretty strongly, though I admit I've played with MC quite a bit before so maybe it's just comfort level?

i have a heaps stronger impression of his nature than his playstyle, and he's like, usually pretty chilled (and super super nice) outside of games so i kind of assumed there was a degree of restraint at like, a personality level.

i may also just be completely wrong. but it didn't feel to me like it was super influenced by this game so much as his recent experience in general.

[Dannflor]

House, why did you feel the need to case MC here?

[House]

House, why did you feel the need to case MC here?

If I cased him, as you allege, why did my post not contain a vote?

Read the conclusion. I posted analysis, not a case.

[Dannflor]

okay sorry let me rephrase, why did you choose to ISO him now and address his posts from early d1?

I'm not accusing you of anything to be clear just curious

[House]

okay sorry let me rephrase, why did you choose to ISO him now and address his posts from early d1?

I'm not accusing you of anything to be clear just curious

Eenie Meenie Minie Moe method.

Random player ISOing to find something to give input on to avoid a prod; one of his posts caught my attention, so I ran with it.

[House]

I'll see if I can't hammer out some sort of an opinion. I'm exhausted, though.

[House]

I don't really count the opinion about Gamma as legitimate input.

I find it difficult to be objective about him.