Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Dannflor]

why do you find reading gamma difficult?

[House]

why do you find reading gamma difficult?

I'm biased. I have a tendency to townread him in all of my games.

[the worst]

they're like, mafia soulmates. it's pretty cool.

[MURDERCAT]

Caught up over the night, but didn't write a post because it's annoying to do that at night, plus we got hit with difficult travel stuff due to weather so I was low energy. Wedding was fun though, thanks Gork.

I'm gunna do some iso reading into who pushed the worst, plus I want to reread the dwlee + LLD interaction.

Spoiler: Navi stuff

i think the tells of lack of interest in finding groupscum are like, starting to show. i'm also not married to this really.

I think I might have to drop my post restriction because it's taking up a bit too much time to compose posts in that format. I enjoy it but I don't have the rl time lately. I can't take twice as long engineering what I want to say.
This has more to do with me getting ten pages behind in a game than my alignment or the pressure. I planned to out day1 but keep the post restriction.

Any way this post is like. Epic smelly. Because there is a shitton of anachronistic logic in it. Positive interest in SK identity just doesn't countermand interest in groupscum identity. I think finding Kazyan scummy in general is way defensible and like house's reaction but this post is really disingenuous "willitstick" and the backpedaling makes it worse.

Or maybe just equally bad idk ambivalence is huge in duck town meta

I don’t exactly think I have the team nailed, though I feel like Meg+Loftwing is painfully obvious

Lets say I flip town today.
Who do you think is scum then?

This post feels off to me but I can't articulate it

I haven't read the thread, didn't know you were claimed tpr

My feedback on the game is please townbin house

And gork but that's obvious

Gamma seems towny tbh

Nothing super interesting but I value the reads more after isis claim. Gork was already pretty towny so that's not doing anything. All this really changes for me is I think it bumps House up somewhat in my reads.

I looked at vote stuff too, but this is mostly just for me to figure out what is worth rereading

Spoiler: Votes

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VoteCount 1.8

Kazyan (they) [ 5 ]

gorkington, dannflor, house, megazumarill, pookythemagicalbear

House (he) [ 1 ]

the worst

Dwlee99 (they) [ 1 ]

murdercat

KidAmn (he) [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Pookythemagicalbear (he) [ 1 ]

kazyan

Not Voting [ 4 ]

kidAmn,

Navi

, Unwnd, loftwing

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

Kaz was the first real wagon I think. Gork and Dann still very likely town to me. Pooky I think probably just kills me as scum also.

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VoteCount 1.9

Dwlee99 (they) [ 4 ]

murdercat, the worst, dannflor, pookythemagicalbear

Kazyan (they) [ 3 ]

gorkington, house, megazumarill

Pookythemagicalbear (he) [ 2 ]

kazyan,

Navi

KidAmn (he) [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Not Voting [ 3 ]

kidAmn, Unwnd, loftwing

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

The only interesting vote here is the worst moving, which isn't really that interesting given the worst is just town.

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VoteCount 1.11

KidAmn (he) [ 5 ]

dwlee99, megazumarill, murdercat, pookythemagicalbear, gorkington

Dwlee99 (they) [ 3 ]

the worst, dannflor, loftwing

Pookythemagicalbear (he) [ 2 ]

kazyan,

Navi

Kazyan (they) [ 1 ]

house

Not Voting [ 2 ]

kidAmn, Unwnd

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

This was a pressure wagon that went nowhere, so not particularly interesting either. Still find Meg's willingness to vote any top wagon suspicious.

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VoteCount 1.20

Navi

(she) [ 5 ]

dannflor, pookythemagicalbear, gorkington, murdercat, kazyan

Murdercat (he) [ 5 ]

the worst, gamma emerald, megazumarill, house, unwnd

Pookythemagicalbear (he) [ 1 ]

Navi

gamma emerald (he) [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Dwlee99 (they) [ 1 ]

loftwing

Not Voting [ 0 ]

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

This is going to be an important VC to look at as we get more info I think. My guess is that scum will be spread out across both top wagons, looking to jump to whichever one looks close to popping. Mental note to go back and look for that.

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VoteCount 1.22

Murdercat (he) [ 4 ]

the worst, gamma emerald, megazumarill, unwnd

The Worst (he) [ 3 ]

pookythemagicalbear,

Navi

, dannflor

Navi

(she) [ 2 ]

gorkington, murdercat

gamma emerald (he) [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Dwlee99 (they) [ 1 ]

Lady Lambdadelta

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 1 ]

kazyan

Not Voting [ 1 ]

house

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

Pooky, Dann, and Kaz all move here. Pooky and Dann go to the worst, Kaz goes to LLD.

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VoteCount 1.24

Navi

(she) [ 4 ]

murdercat, dannflor, kazyan, house

The Worst (he) [ 4 ]

pookythemagicalbear,

Navi

, gorkington, unwnd

Murdercat (he) [ 3 ]

the worst, gamma emerald, megazumarill

gamma emerald (he) [ 1 ]

dwlee99

Dwlee99 (they) [ 1 ]

Lady Lambdadelta

Not Voting [ 0 ]

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

Kaz is moving around a lot here, mental note to look at those votes. Navi jumps back up thanks to Kaz and House, Pooky and Dann stay on the worst.

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VoteCount 1.27

The Worst (he) [ 3 ]

pookythemagicalbear, gorkington, dannflor

Navi

(she) [ 3 ]

murdercat, kazyan, house

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 3 ]

dwlee99, the worst, megazumarill

Dwlee99 (they) [ 2 ]

Lady Lambdadelta,

Navi

Murdercat (he) [ 2 ]

gamma emerald, unwnd

Not Voting [ 0 ]

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

LLD wagon starts to rise, more confirmation the worst is town because there is no reason to jump to a small wagon like that when you are under pressure.

The TV screen flickers and changes

VoteCount 1.28

The Worst (he) [ 5 ]

pookythemagicalbear, gorkington, dannflor, house, gamma emerald

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 3 ]

dwlee99, the worst, megazumarill

Dwlee99 (they) [ 2 ]

Lady Lambdadelta,

Navi

Navi

(she) [ 1 ]

murdercat

Murdercat (he) [ 1 ]

unwnd

Not Voting [ 1 ]

kazyan

With 13 alive it takes 7 votes to be executed.

Countdown to deadline: (expired on 2021-10-03 20:10:31)

she doesn't engage w anything that's happening because if she's going down there's no point in putting out more associatives. putting me to e-1 as a TPR claim without evaluating anything else (incl. lack of meaningful counterwagon) isn't a townie.

I

think

this is the first place the worst hard claimed, but I could be wrong I just did CTRL-F for a few things. What's interesting to me here is that the pressure doesn't turn towards LLD who is the next biggest wagon and instead ends up on Navi. Why does Dwlee move to Navi for example? Mental note to reread this and see if LLD is scum with friends or if Navi was just a much easier target (and whether that implicates dwlee).

The screen goes black as the sun continues to set behind the buildings. The sun is maybe the only thing here that is normal. 13 strangers look at each other, not really sure what to do. An agreement had been reached but no one was really sure what was going to happen next.

The screen flickers back to life, showing the following

THERE HAS BEEN AN ELIMINATION

VoteCount 1.29 FINAL

Navi

(she) [ 7 ]

murdercat, dwlee99 kazyan, megazumarill, the worst, unwnd, gamma emerald

The Worst (he) [ 5 ]

gorkington, dannflor, pookythemagicalbear. lady lambdadelta,

Navi

Lady Lambdadelta (she) [ 1 ]

house

Not Voting [ 0 ]

Navi, vanilla townie has been eliminated.

[Kazyan]

I had a long think. LLD, honestly, you're right about me being a jerk and you saw the worst side of me in that post. Your composure is admirable. I can't promise that I'll be a good person or a good player, I can only promise to try.

I don't know how to evaluate the way that you play, or the way that anyone plays. Your push on Dwlee on Day 1 was to generate content on an ambiguous slot, right? But I only know that because you spelled it out for the thread. Is it a 'shake the town into shape so that they're better at catching the bad guys' strategy?

UNVOTE:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I had a long think. LLD, honestly, you're right about me being a jerk and you saw the worst side of me in that post. Your composure is admirable. I can't promise that I'll be a good person or a good player, I can only promise to try.

I don't know how to evaluate the way that you play, or the way that anyone plays. Your push on Dwlee on Day 1 was to generate content on an ambiguous slot, right? But I only know that because you spelled it out for the thread. Is it a 'shake the town into shape so that they're better at catching the bad guys' strategy?

UNVOTE:

So I'll be honest that if I had any one stated goal for that action, I'd probably be lying to you? The concept of pressuring Dwlee there was to generate content on a level that the town could interact with both me and dwlee, and force the game from an apathetic state into one where people would take harder stances and that those stances would be useful for purposes of evaluating alignment later.

It also lets me get immediate reaction takes on people, which is another alignment check thing that helps.

So it's at least partially for me, but it's also for the sake of the whole town, because content creation is useful to a point where it is helpful for reads (too much will generate more apathy. See: "It's been 2 days and there's 20 pages?")

So yeah "shake things lose and provide the town more avenues for discussion and finding scum" is approximately covering most of the goals.

[Dannflor]

Gamma, why has Meg felt shady to you

[unwnd]

I've developed a secret read but don't have the means to pursue it

[Kazyan]

Townread

:
Gork (PROTAGONIST OF THE GAME)
Dwlee99 (10-degree tilt for a minute there, literally no agenda, didn't do the scum tell)
Dann (I get good vibes from every post Dann makes; he seems like he's trying to bring order to a chaotic town. I know he's been burned by unwnd's scumgame in a chaotic normal before.)
The Worst (extremely town discussion with unwnd)

Townlean

:
unwnd (extremely town discussion with TW, but I'm generally spooked about the strength of unwnd's scumgame.)

Null

:
LLD (I'm, uh, done having opinions on this slot for a while)

Confu

sed

About

:
Pooky (Obviously not an SK anymore, and has completely dropped the indecision about who to kill. I have a hard time believing that his drunkposting spree could have been done with scum intent, but I need to ask whether this is typical of town!Pooky or not. I haven't seen him like this in his towngame yet, but I've seen him death-tunnel a claimed PR in Dogs Vs. Cats, in which he was mafia.)
House (I can't put my finger on what it is. I feel the towniness, but House has also just sorta been skirting every single discussion since the first few 24-hour days of the game, which I feel like is a good place for scum to hang out in. I also can't help but look at how he was on the only one on a non-viable wagon yesterday and think 'what's up with that'?)

Scumlean

:
MurderCat (This is where my heart wants to vote. I get what he's saying about Meg. I'm also kinda tinfoiling that the no-kill was specifically to kneecap MCat's ability to VCA if that's what he does every game, but I don't know. MCat, do you do VCA in most games?)
Gamma (PoE tbh)

Delet this

:
Meg (Meg has been diffident, wagon-hopping in a way that looks manufactured, and only broke out the actual convincing statements when directly pressured, i.e. saving themselves. The more I think about that "pick scum among these five at random" post, the more I think of it as throwing miselim options at the wall and seeing what sticks.)

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The trees I want to shake are the "Confused About" ones.

[Dannflor]

I've developed a secret read but don't have the means to pursue it

the means are always in your posession

[unwnd]

I don't think it is

I think that read dies with me or someone picks it up later

[Dannflor]

Gamma, my concern with you at the moment is that most of your takes (especially recently) look like regurgitations of whatever the thread is saying at the time

i seem to remember you also had some reads that went against consensus like me!scum but you're not really putting up a fight there at all?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why has Meg felt shady to you

The way she's sorting slots seems to be indicative of low-level scum (which while it's harsh to say, that is how I rate her rn)

[Dannflor]

I think I disagree with the way you play mafia unwnd

[Dannflor]

Gamma, why has Meg felt shady to you

The way she's sorting slots seems to be indicative of low-level scum (which while it's harsh to say, that is how I rate her rn)

why does she feel like the best target to you atm

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, my concern with you at the moment is that most of your takes (especially recently) look like regurgitations of whatever the thread is saying at the time

i seem to remember you also had some reads that went against consensus like me!scum but you're not really putting up a fight there at all?

I think I have been feeling slightly better about you from posting toDay actually

[Dannflor]

what exactly did I post today that changed or started changing your mind?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma, why has Meg felt shady to you

The way she's sorting slots seems to be indicative of low-level scum (which while it's harsh to say, that is how I rate her rn)

why does she feel like the best target to you atm

because she's a consensus SR and I don't feel like trying to push for someone else?

[Gamma Emerald]

On ISO read I don't think it's that I feel better about you but that I feel less uneasy

I kinda think gorkington not dying here further implicates Kazyan town

However I'm very much intrigued at this, I'd asked earlier about if people still felt strongly that Kaz is town and no one responded then

[Dannflor]

probably the loudest and clearest thing that I remember happening D1 was gorkington pushing Kazyan

I think gorkington's pushes are always going to be given some credence because of the universality of the town reads on him. usually, that means high night kill bait. now he could just be so obvious that scum don't want to risk getting their kill blocked or what have you, but the other explanation is that they are mostly *fine* not killing gorkington because he's wrong on one or more major things. I think the most prolific take he had D1 was kazyan!scum and I think Kazyan is a slot that even if a lot of people town read them right *now*, could come back into question later.

[unwnd]

I think I disagree with the way you play mafia unwnd

To each their own. I'm assuming you look at me and go 'why say it' and it's because I want to talk about it but I am fine with the current gamestate. I think I wanna flip Gamma and then I'll lead into my other thought. Maybe you dislike me prioritizing reads in that way.

[Dannflor]

I just usually tend towards transparency as town and I find few situations where hiding information actually helps

it's also a little ? that in a situation where you've been targeted for a NK once already presumably that you are willing to risk taking a read you presumably feel good about and that is important enough to talk about to the grave with you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i will suspend my disbelief about unwnd for today and allow him to lead me to the promised land

[unwnd]

I just usually tend towards transparency as town and I find few situations where hiding information actually helps

it's also a little ? that in a situation where you've been targeted for a NK once already presumably that you are willing to risk taking a read you presumably feel good about and that is important enough to talk about to the grave with you

One of them is already being voted. I don't exhale my own fumes and get high off my presence. I'm not really big on herosolves and any time I've made them it's in jest. I also

do

believe in hiding information because I think keeping scum out of the know and being slightly ambiguous in your thoughts makes it so they don't have a directive to latch onto. This is all MD talk though and Cabd has mortally wounded me by calling me a navel gazer before so I won't go further.

[Kazyan]

Does MurderCat/Gamma/Meg make sense as a solve? I'm trying to figure out if a Pooky or House swap-in makes more sense than a team that's constantly bussing each other apparently