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Post Post #625 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:45 pm

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In post 614, Guillotina wrote:Does it mean that at least two of them are town aligned?
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Post Post #626 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:46 pm

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In post 623, Guillotina wrote:
In post 621, MegAzumarill wrote:Question: why would nk15 choose scum with that role?

I approve of its usage today tbh
So you think nk15 lie detected his own statement?
I indeed did.
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Post Post #627 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:52 pm

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In post 622, Guillotina wrote:I just dont get why lie detect that when such statement is open for interpretation.

Is the mod confirming NK15 is lying about that statement or that the amount of not town aligned players is false?
Is the mod telling us NK15 has TMI or that we at least got two town clears? Or both?
You might want to search that role and its description in the Deck of Astral Roles...
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Post Post #628 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:56 pm

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Also stop voting the player that can IC themselves tomorrow smh.
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Post Post #629 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 1:59 pm

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In post 626, Not Known 15 wrote:
In post 623, Guillotina wrote:
In post 621, MegAzumarill wrote:Question: why would nk15 choose scum with that role?

I approve of its usage today tbh
So you think nk15 lie detected his own statement?
I indeed did.
I dont believe you, there is no way a mod allows you to self lie detect unless this is some sort of public announced clairvoyant ability.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
3) The best way to tell the truth in a game of lies is by lying and the best way to lie in a games of lies is by telling the truth.
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Post Post #630 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:00 pm

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Nk15 can you link the role here?
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Post Post #631 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:07 pm

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I only found one. Two actually but the fake lie detect ability can only be activated after earning mod favors, so it goes out of the window considering it maybe a slip, cause it cant be.

So this one is the only option: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12722194

Ive run lie detectors in the past as a host and i actually randed this ability as a player and i know for certain that the owner of the ability cannot self lie detect.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #632 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:13 pm

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I dont think NK15 is the lie detector and i think he instead is trying to bait out the claim, except is so crazy to do it on day 1, why risk it as a wolf? It's almost like what House said, like if NK wants to get yeeted.

Now im gonna look into what roles benefit from getting yeeted, goddamn it.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
3) The best way to tell the truth in a game of lies is by lying and the best way to lie in a games of lies is by telling the truth.
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Post Post #633 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:15 pm

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Then why did NK15 make a posts whose sole purpose seems to be for a lie detector ability?
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Post Post #634 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:17 pm

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it says 1 shot lie detector
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Post Post #635 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:18 pm

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Ye I see that now
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Post Post #636 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:24 pm

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also it's strictly better for him to include himself in the group to be "checked" if he is town?


does that make sense?
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Post Post #637 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:26 pm

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In post 633, MegAzumarill wrote:Then why did NK15 make a posts whose sole purpose seems to be for a lie detector ability?
Hmmm… you thinking it could have been orchestrated or you still think he self lie detect? because self lie detections dont exist. How can you lie detect yoursrlf knowing you are lying or telling the truth, that's illogical!
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #638 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:28 pm

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At least we know this role dies not exist: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12710791

Because the mod refers to eliminations as “Exile” not yeets.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #639 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:29 pm

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I feel obligated to believe he used the ability unless someone ccs.
Why wouldn't they since its one shot?
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Post Post #640 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:31 pm

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In post 639, MegAzumarill wrote:I feel obligated to believe he used the ability unless someone ccs.
Why wouldn't they since its one shot?
Meg! You cant lie detect yourself! YOU CANT LIE DETECT YOURSELF!

If you can, then the role is broken and TL is too experienced of a host to allow that.
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2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #641 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:32 pm

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wait why cant you lie detect yourself
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Post Post #642 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:33 pm

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If you cant lie detect yourself can't you just ask someone to say something in quotes to lie detect it?
It doesnt feel much more powerful able to self target
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Post Post #643 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:34 pm

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In post 641, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:wait why cant you lie detect yourself
Because lie detection is an investigation ability, you cant possibly investigate something you already know, in the context that you already know whether or not you are lying.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #644 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:37 pm

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@TemporalLich can role #223 target their own posts?

Seems like a simple solution for me
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Post Post #645 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:38 pm

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In post 642, MegAzumarill wrote:If you cant lie detect yourself can't you just ask someone to say something in quotes to lie detect it?
It doesnt feel much more powerful able to self target
Yah it could be a mafia orchestrating a gambit with a teammate with a lie detector, or two members of a neighborhood doing it, maybe two masons or two illuminatis.
Yah i would believe that more, but he is claiming he did it himself.
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Post Post #646 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:40 pm

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@mod

can a lie detector lie detect his own statement "i am town"
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Post Post #647 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:41 pm

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I dont think he is gonna answer that. You are asking the mod to confirm a claim publicly.
1) The only difference between town and scum is TMI.
2) If scum can do it, so can town, except TMI.
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Post Post #648 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:43 pm

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I'm asking for clarification on a specific role's mechanics.
It doesn't make NK the lie detector if true, and it doesn't give any alignment info
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Post Post #649 (ISO) » Wed Oct 06, 2021 2:43 pm

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As the role reads in the Doar it targets posts and therefore can target someone's own post.
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