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[Gamma Emerald]

if you thought gamma was scum, why also think that there would be a guaranteed scum lim tomorrow with a flip in the pair

From his perspective. Read who I'm talking to. I'm asking why Gamma wouldn't be voting between Kaz/Unwnd today. Instead he had his vote on meg

You do realize I voted unwnd in my first post today right

[Dwlee99]

But why move off? You should be voting in Kaz/Unwnd every time with that result

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

after tw claims prot on unwnd why not vote kaz lol

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why would you vote outside of Kaz/unwnd today with that result?

Because it’s not truly conclusive and the lack of kill had me wondering things that made claiming extremely unappealing.

But if one of them is scum flipping one of them guarantees we lim scum by tomorrow...

I think Gamma is scum here but also probably better to get another parity check just in case?

if you thought gamma was scum, why also think that there would be a guaranteed scum lim tomorrow with a flip in the pair?

Gork, I'm imploring you to look at the group of people currently voting me (Kazyan, Worst, Meg) and try to find a good faith reasonable argument about why I'm scum from ANY of them that you can agree with.

can you walk me through why you included kazyan in this pile?

Right? Like there's no way you can't find a good acceptable reason to flip the Worst there.

this reaction is extremely delayed and probably not useful anymore:
i think its less an issue about finding a good acceptable reason. i dont doubt that a good scum player could do that. average scum players are probably going to care enough about their optics to be at least uncomfortable going for it.

Can I ask why we're no eliminating if we can kill Kazyan to test Gamma partially?

Like if Gamma is telling the truth, we want to kill Kazyan.

If Gamma is lying... we may still want to kill Kazyan, but we learn faster if the worst becomes town because of his doctor...

what changed since you said that you were willing to straight up lose to kazyan because of the mod question?

It turns out I thought kaz was scummy, then he did a really townie thing. Then a result came out that made his scum equity soar.

[Gorkington]

Well Kazayn and House are both bleeding town in this game thread

was this solely based on that one quote then?

[Gamma Emerald]

I've basically been thinking Kaz has been town all game, and the protect looked super hinky. I wasn't in the mood to push a probable misyeet, especially since there wasn't even momentum there at all. I basically just said "might as well have an extra day to get results, I don't feel okay outing without more info"

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

u think scum duckie fakes a prot on scum unwnd? spicy

[unwnd]

Grumble grumble

I really just want to vote Gamma. I'm decently consistent on reading him as both alignments and I was writing up some huge meta case about it, but then decided I'd rather not do that.

[Gorkington]

it probably doesnt make you feel better, but gamma is really self resolving and if he is mafia he doesnt really have much space to work with here.
especially since i think we're probably going to end up limming outside the three of you if we arent no-limming, which is probably not what he would have wanted if he picked the two of you hoping to get two town miselims in a row.

[unwnd]

I'm not sure if I see Kaz as scum. Results are great and all, but that seemed to be a consensus up until now. Nobody was scumreading Kaz so either Kaz is a godlike D1 scum player secretly (see: Dann/Pooky/Myself/TW all townreading Kaz) or he's just town.

The only thing I could be slightly paranoid about is their weird 'pooky is SK' comments and then irony they are third-party

[unwnd]

it probably doesnt make you feel better, but gamma is really self resolving and if he is mafia he doesnt really have much space to work with here.
especially since i think we're probably going to end up limming outside the three of you if we arent no-limming, which is probably not what he would have wanted if he picked the two of you hoping to get two town miselims in a row.

If we're eliminating outside of us 3 I would probably vote Meg.

[unwnd]

People don't seem interested in MCat so I'm giving that up. That also annoys me when I drop a wall on someone and people are like 'idk if we vote him it's not gonna matter'

Like yeah MCat came back but it was just idle commenting and checkup on the situation

It didn't flip my read at all

[Gorkington]

MCat is here and not posting, his very last post was trying to clarify up his previous posts and explain them. I don't feel the gesture was necessary for one and it doesn't match his frustrated nature? The whole 'Gonna quit because I always get wagoned D1'. I just didn't buy it. I don't think MCat is a slouch even if I can't pin down what exactly drives him. My thought since then was that if MCat really wanted to prove his worth he would show it. Even Navi facing elimination left a few dying words. MCat continues to sink and I guess people are just alright with letting him. The guy won Paragon so clearly in his heart's heart there is something stirring in him even from the very little he saw. Instead of choosing to examine those points, he glossed it over and is now nowhere to be seen.

is this the biggest thing you want people to look at on meowder or was there another post that i missed?

[unwnd]

I mean yeah basically, but that whole post was relevant to MCat but also slightly tieing into Gamma as well.

It's not worth trying to rehash my gut feelings though

[Gamma Emerald]

I don’t think House and mcat are S/S, does anyone object to me checking them tonight?

[MURDERCAT]

fine with me

[Gorkington]

i dont really think its convincing to think that when murder comes back to the thread after that last frustration post hes going to be in the same frame of mind and has to continue being defeatist.
i also think that holding someone to paragon standards is like classically a demotivating move (see: how everyone treated spiff after he won it, i havent actually clarified with him on this ever, but it generally seemed like he was run into the ground for not solving the game every single time he rolled town and didnt bring his A-game).

murder has been in this kind of place since at least team mafia and likely before then.
he could just be mafia struggling to find a place while also being in that energy. i would just need more in terms of evidence than just "hes not playing to my expectations" because he doesnt really seem like hes playing to that expectation in general lately because he isnt as interested in mafia right now or is too busy?

if you think his tone seems too flat for him to be town then could try to pull specific offending posts that i could try to look at to see if i feel the same way?

[Gorkington]

i'll try to do a pair of murdercat/Meg ISOdives later tonight either way.

[MURDERCAT]

Have we played together gork or have you just read a lot of games?

[unwnd]

i dont really think its convincing to think that when murder comes back to the thread after that last frustration post hes going to be in the same frame of mind and has to continue being defeatist.
i also think that holding someone to paragon standards is like classically a demotivating move (see: how everyone treated spiff after he won it, i havent actually clarified with him on this ever, but it generally seemed like he was run into the ground for not solving the game every single time he rolled town and didnt bring his A-game).

murder has been in this kind of place since at least team mafia and likely before then.
he could just be mafia struggling to find a place while also being in that energy. i would just need more in terms of evidence than just "hes not playing to my expectations" because he doesnt really seem like hes playing to that expectation in general lately because he isnt as interested in mafia right now or is too busy?

if you think his tone seems too flat for him to be town then could try to pull specific offending posts that i could try to look at to see if i feel the same way?

I think it's sensible but I would prefer some kind of candid response from MCat himself. I mean, he can even bring about some gripes if I'm just defiling his good name. I just want to see even something like a readlist or something that brings me up to date on his mindset.

[Gorkington]

this is like a public knowledge gimmick alt for me
im cheetory6

[MURDERCAT]

lol holy shit
I did not know that

[MURDERCAT]

something like a readlist

I can do this, but I need to read some interactions more closely before I do.
The way I see it is there are a number of interactions that are defining the game and it's probably solvable if we start by solving those interactions.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wait what

i never townread kazy

[Dannflor]

why does that read like PR speak