Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[unwnd]

They only have one game as scum and looking at that ISO compared to this one is vastly different.

can you articulate this in more depth?

I will try to do to the best of my ability just because you asked.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

[Gorkington]

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[Dannflor]

Wow gamma is making me want to kill him

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You really don't understand how I play scum if you think I am above ignoring and then killing you if I feel you're a threat.

maybe you dont see me as a threat, but i think its extremely probable that scumYou thinks that you can use me as a springboard for content.

im probably doing more harm than good if i am right by pushing this in terms of giving you a chance to get back into this game and my track record of convincing anyone about anything in this game.
but im not going to just pretend to not have a read on the gamestate if i have it.

p-edit: kaz has a scumgame on-site.

But your argument was that I was only pushing back at you because I found you threatening, and so it wasn't whataboutism.

Isn't this shifting the goalposts? Now it's that I DON'T find you scumreading me suspicious and I'm using you to springboard into a game where I am already engaging and making arguments about Kazyan that don't involve you?

[Gamma Emerald]

hhhfffhhh
I think a part of this might be that I’m kinda applying things I’ve felt IRL to this game. My hopes and dreams for a long time have been to create something artful that is very “me” and also feels like adding something of value to the world. Currently my thinking is I want to try and make music, some of it based on the feelings inside me.

[Gorkington]

sometimes i cartoonishly think that im an impact player when im just an easy to townread and loud player.
im accepting that youre probably right that i have no sway in this game but find it a lot more likely for scumYou to try to make me look ridiculous for content than for scumYou to just handwave my assessment of you and kaz.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

Your perspective makes no sense.

If Kaz is scum and we kill him, you might die tonight but that means you died after making a guilty on a scum, killing them AND CONFIRMING UNWND TOWN.

If Kaz is town and we kill him, SCUM WILL NEVER KILL YOU.

So if you are town, killing Kaz always either

Catches a scum and confirms a townie before dying (amazing)

or

Gives you two results before you get voted out and then have those results confirmed (confirms unwnd as scum, plus another parity cop outcome)

Why are EITHER OF THESE BAD?

[unwnd]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... er_sort=Go

Here's Kaz ISO in their one scumgame. I'm going to use a trick Pooky does which is screenshotting posts directly to prove my point.

Something I often look for in people is early engagement. I am a huge advocator that RVS and earlygame ends up to be really important because scum is the most unguarded during that phase. They are more likely to slip up whether it be tonally or informative. Kaz's starting ISO in that game looks like this:

Spoiler:

The leadoff is less inquisitive and more operational. Kaz is working

around

the room instead of diving head first into the game. Compare this to their beginning movement in this game:

Spoiler:

Headstart. Right into it. Immediately inquisitive and curious. No fluffy engagements or anything. Kaz was so absurd that it rubbed me wrong but even in this small window you can see how they don't seem like someone who

knows

the alignment of Pooky. Kaz acted the way they did in newbie because they knew Skitter was town and merely tried to seem inoffensive. Here? Kaz is not afraid of their own audacious behavior.

I understand this is somewhat brief. I understand that yes, people can change. Maybe Kaz has improved since then and has become self-aware of their own town meta. Rolling town a lot you can take something from it and then attempt to replicate it. I really doubt that though, and I'd rather be fooled be an imrpoved Kaz then doubt that they're just town signaling behavior that fits.

[Gorkington]

hhhfffhhh
I think a part of this might be that I’m kinda applying things I’ve felt IRL to this game. My hopes and dreams for a long time have been to create something artful that is very “me” and also feels like adding something of value to the world. Currently my thinking is I want to try and make music, some of it based on the feelings inside me.

i dont
understand

[Lady Lambdadelta]

sometimes i cartoonishly think that im an impact player when im just an easy to townread and loud player.
im accepting that youre probably right that i have no sway in this game but find it a lot more likely for scumYou to try to make me look ridiculous for content than for scumYou to just handwave my assessment of you and kaz.

You think in this game, after my exchange with Dwlee went the way it did and how people have treated me (something you yourself mentioned, so you're aware of it) that I'm capable of making you look ridiculous from my position?

Gork, you're not making any sense.

[unwnd]

I choose to believe my reads than mechanical wash any day of the week.

I think Kaz is town and I will not vote them.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

Your perspective makes no sense.

If Kaz is scum and we kill him, you might die tonight but that means you died after making a guilty on a scum, killing them AND CONFIRMING UNWND TOWN.

If Kaz is town and we kill him, SCUM WILL NEVER KILL YOU.

So if you are town, killing Kaz always either

Catches a scum and confirms a townie before dying (amazing)

or

Gives you two results before you get voted out and then have those results confirmed (confirms unwnd as scum, plus another parity cop outcome)

Why are EITHER OF THESE BAD?

RE: the bolded, I’m worried that’s not the case, which is what is fueling my actions here.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Because getting elimmed tomorrow allows for hopefully two results to be confirmed as trustworthy (I’m not saying accurate because idk what sort of bastard game fuckery might be going on). Getting NKed means there’s only the one result, and that doesn’t feel gratifying.

Your perspective makes no sense.

If Kaz is scum and we kill him, you might die tonight but that means you died after making a guilty on a scum, killing them AND CONFIRMING UNWND TOWN.

If Kaz is town and we kill him, SCUM WILL NEVER KILL YOU.

So if you are town, killing Kaz always either

Catches a scum and confirms a townie before dying (amazing)

or

Gives you two results before you get voted out and then have those results confirmed (confirms unwnd as scum, plus another parity cop outcome)

Why are EITHER OF THESE BAD?

RE: the bolded, I’m worried that’s not the case, which is what is fueling my actions here.

??????????

If scum kills you after we kill kaz and kaz flips town in that outcome

that means scum confirms unwnd is scum instead of letting unwnd kill you with one of our eliminations, and getting an extra scum kill.

why would this ever happen

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh r u talking about the newbie game where Kaz just kept his mouth shut while i go randomly run up by a bunch of townies and speedlimmed on page 3 or something dumb

lolololol

[unwnd]

Thunderdome.

Me or Gamma. I literally don't care.

If it's all in vain then I have a lot I can take in later. I think Kaz is town and Gamma is fake.

VOTE: Gamma

[Gorkington]

You think in this game, after my exchange with Dwlee went the way it did and how people have treated me (something you yourself mentioned, so you're aware of it) that I'm capable of making you look ridiculous from my position?

Gork, you're not making any sense.

the point is a lot less about the intent being to make me look ridiculous and more about the logic of my posts being easy to respond to/pick at in a way that you could fake-generate content from.

[unwnd]

LLD please for the love of god trust me.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fuck it i might as well sheep my homie unwnd

VOTE: gamma

[Gamma Emerald]

fuck’s sake
I WANT TO GET ANOTHER NIGHT OF RESULTS.
What about that is so hard for you people to understand?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gamma used ate

its

super effective !

unvote

>.>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD please for the love of god trust me.

Fuck it, I'm done trying to convince people of general mafia concepts.

Vote: Gamma

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im so bad at this game :<

[unwnd]

I will not turn

I cannot learn anything by doubt

I'm not trying to blind either, I just feel strongly about this

[unwnd]

Pooks let me be wrong or let me obnoxiously right and I live off my ego for 2 more years.

Or I'm just washed now.

Either one is epic.