Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Pooks let me be wrong or let me obnoxiously right and I live off my ego for 2 more years.

Or I'm just washed now.

Either one is epic.

You know I still have 0 idea who you are right.

Like none.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i dunno i think gamma's line about not faking a guilty feels almost like a borderline trust tell and it rubs me the wrong way

[unwnd]

Poooooky.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

or maybe im just trash at this game but I can really see Kazyan being scum here

[Gorkington]

I understand this is somewhat brief. I understand that yes, people can change. Maybe Kaz has improved since then and has become self-aware of their own town meta. Rolling town a lot you can take something from it and then attempt to replicate it. I really doubt that though, and I'd rather be fooled be an imrpoved Kaz then doubt that they're just town signaling behavior that fits.

can you side by side compare kaz's pushes in a towngame to their pushes in a scumgame and really think about whether one is more similar to here?
i get that your argument is that earlygame is a strong indicator of alignment, but i do think that theres a discernable absence of genuine feel from kazyan's scumgame in terms of how they pushed votes vs their towngame and i was reminded a lot more of their scumgame in that capacity here.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean i think enough people want gamma dead that you can get him dead without my vote.

but im just unable to vote for something i dont believe in rn :<

[unwnd]

Pooks let me be wrong or let me obnoxiously right and I live off my ego for 2 more years.

Or I'm just washed now.

Either one is epic.

You know I still have 0 idea who you are right.

Like none.

You can know me as the man who was either wrong in Mini 2241 or right in Mini 2241

What matters is now

[unwnd]

i mean i think enough people want gamma dead that you can get him dead without my vote.

but im just unable to vote for something i dont believe in rn :<

I respect it

[unwnd]

I understand this is somewhat brief. I understand that yes, people can change. Maybe Kaz has improved since then and has become self-aware of their own town meta. Rolling town a lot you can take something from it and then attempt to replicate it. I really doubt that though, and I'd rather be fooled be an imrpoved Kaz then doubt that they're just town signaling behavior that fits.

can you side by side compare kaz's pushes in a towngame to their pushes in a scumgame and really think about whether one is more similar to here?
i get that your argument is that earlygame is a strong indicator of alignment, but i do think that theres a discernable absence of genuine feel from kazyan's scumgame in terms of how they pushed votes vs their towngame and i was reminded a lot more of their scumgame in that capacity here.

Yeah I'll go look at it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like one thing that's really pinging me rn about Kazyan is that after Gamma claimed parity cop, Kazyan has literally said not a word about Unwnd's alignment.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whereas you're at least making the effort to re-evaluate Kazyan off the new info he doesn't seem very interested at all in re-evaluating you?

[unwnd]

I just look at the newbie game and see so much that my brain says 'this is not even remotely similar to Kaz in this game' and I would feel way more awful ejecting a townie (see: I literally thought Navi was town and vanity voted) than being beamed.

[unwnd]

The reevaluation is a bit startling though. I do see that point because Kaz has to think either

1) Gamma is lying
2) I'm clearly scum and cause they're town

[unwnd]

VOTE: Gamma (E-1, I think)

I know TSQ doesn't do the "conventional game balance" thing but I'm pretty sure he knows about Follow the Cop.

I think this is just a sacrifice to break up the townblock.

UNVOTE:

There's something I need to think through; there might be a mechanical solve if all of these associatives are correct

Nevermind, Kaz does think Gamma is lying but unvoted for mech solve?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean i played that newbie game

Kaz didn't have to do jack shit in that game.

Day 1 was me joking with skitter and then a bunch of townies randomly speedwagon me dead on like page 3 or whatever

Day 2 was a townie who speedwagoned me claiming some "guilty" result on some other townie that was fake

Day 3 was that fake claiming townie getting yeeted out of the game for faking a guilty result and game was over.

There was literally 0 incentive or need for ScumKazyan to do a damn thing.

So I don't see how that game is comparable to this one since this game is full of players of a higher skill level and we don't have any throwing going on.

[unwnd]

There's just something I see in that game in comparison to this one. Also? Other games where Kaz is town. It's not like I'm exclusively comparing the two. I've been town with Kaz before yknow?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you're pulling Iso without actually reading what happened in that game.

There was literally no pressure on ScumKazyan to do shit cuz newbTown hard threw on every single day in that game.

[Gorkington]

kazyan was under 0 pressure in that game too.
i think you should try to compare towngame to here as a higher priority if you arent already doing that.

[Gamma Emerald]

i dunno i think gamma's line about not faking a guilty feels almost like a borderline trust tell and it rubs me the wrong way

I clarified at one point that there’s circumstances where I would do it as town. Doing it when I’m on the chopping block on a person that I’ve kinda been at odds with for a while? Nah, that ain’t it chief.

[unwnd]

Rest assured I'm doing that mentally, but sometimes my mental notes are harder to write on paper. That's why sometimes I just go 'it's gut'

The process is absolutely there though and I'm trying to show you it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

There's just something I see in that game in comparison to this one. Also? Other games where Kaz is town. It's not like I'm exclusively comparing the two. I've been town with Kaz before yknow?

Well the comparison you're making is with a scum game and saying, this scum game doesn't look like his town games.

But that scum game he literally didn't have to do anything to win it or blend in cuz it was just a mega-hardthrow.

This game he actually has to like sorta replicate his towngame cuz if he messes up he just gets yeeted?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: No Elimination

This is a cool and good time to spend our No-Lim day, yeah

You missed this

@unwnd

[Kazyan]

Ok I was expecting more pages; catching up

like one thing that's really pinging me rn about Kazyan is that after Gamma claimed parity cop, Kazyan has literally said not a word about Unwnd's alignment.

That was going to be what was actually the 'I think I have a mechanical solve' post; I was writing up a thing based on speculations in the scum!unwnd world and the scum!Gamma world, but shelved it because I thought I was onto something for a mechanical solve. I couldn't figure out how to make the associatives go far enough into House/Pooky/MCat/Meg territory, though.

[unwnd]

No I saw it, the point I was looking for is whether or not they reevaled me based on your claim, and it seems they believe you're lying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea how is it supposed to even make sense for Kazyan to think No-Elim is a good idea if he's town and he thinks you're town?