Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[ulyana]

What do you think unwnd!scum hopes to accomplish by immediately hunting scum on the counterwagon to him?

come in active recenter discussion could be any number of angles within that, since you think strange should not be equated with scummy, how did you feel about unwnd's responses to this strangeness being pointed out? did you feel they sufficiently explained the strangeness of the approach in a non-scummy way?

[Gamma Emerald]

But like, neither of us could have really known that was an option during D1?

but you think mafia had access to this information as you said previously when we discussed it, thus

you know i am town?

I think mafia knew the chair was an execution D1, not that they’d have knowledge they could unilaterally eject someone from the game
I already specified my theory was the advance knowledge was for events and not sabotages

[unwnd]

What do you think about Ydra suspecting you? Like

Give me some ramblings. I wanna know where you are right now.

i feel like usual on d2s, which is that i have too many townreads, but this time there are more medium townreads on hard to read players.

like toog, dunn, your slot, saber, etc.

i was actually thinking that ydrasse suspecting me for pushing her is town-indicative

toog doesn't care about anything which is towny but he could be playing into it intentionally i guess?

saber feels towny on tone and she mindmelded with me when i though gamma was scum but that's about it

your slot i have very few solid reasons to townread but especially in his conversation with ulyana before he replaced out, he felt like he was trying to sort without caring about how he was perceived

these are the slots i'm trying (and mostly failing) to sort through atm

This feels a bit handwavey, you're not at least a bit curious about it? I know you two are in good relations but I have found from an outsider perspective that you get hives about her sometimes. She's not really playing at a readable level.

[ulyana]

But like, neither of us could have really known that was an option during D1?

but you think mafia had access to this information as you said previously when we discussed it, thus

you know i am town?

I think mafia knew the chair was an execution D1, not that they’d have knowledge they could unilaterally eject someone from the game
I already specified my theory was the advance knowledge was for events and not sabotages

? the event was to unilaterally eject someone from the game

like that's what you did yes? you unilaterally ejected cephrir from the game?

[Infinity 324]

@unwnd yeah i often get frustrated with ydrasse scumreading me, but i took a break from mafia and am more calm this game, i'm not totally sure why she's scumreading me but i think the most likely explanation is towny omgus

[Infinity 324]

UNVOTE:

[Gamma Emerald]

Yes but with the knowledge that I would be judged for it

[unwnd]

What about from your own position? I've seen you wrestle with your read on Ydra before and it just seemed like you had strong insight gained from not even interacting with her. I remember this even from RPG actually

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

[Infinity 324]

What about from your own position? I've seen you wrestle with your read on Ydra before and it just seemed like you had strong insight gained from not even interacting with her. I remember this even from RPG actually

wasn't i badly wrong on her in rpg?

i mostly feel like she hasn't been playing and there's not enough to read her off of yet.

[ulyana]

Yes but with the knowledge that I would be judged for it

mmmmmmmmmmm

what i'm saying here is like,

if you think mafia had this information, you would think that i knew it was an option for you to eliminate me like so when i was speculating about you potentially angling to do so?

right?

but you say there is no way either of us could have had that information,

which makes me feel like that is not something you are considering even though you just recently again drew attention to my previous speculation

[unwnd]

As was I, but I felt the struggle? I'm tilting my head at you just going 'yup towny omgus'

[Infinity 324]

As was I, but I felt the struggle? I'm tilting my head at you just going 'yup towny omgus'

i mean, it's a weak read, and imo it's the most ai thing she's done this game so /shrug

[Gamma Emerald]

but you say there is no way either of us could have had that information,

I mean the part about the sabotage, we couldn’t have known about

[Toogeloo]

@dunn who is scum (besides cakez)

Probably all the lurkers except for me. No shame.

Seems legit. Town just cannibalizing itself?

Wouldn’t that point to you though?

I've been a member since 2009 and still haven't hit 10,000 posts though.

[skitter30]

Why is me voting Gamma scummy?

- were u even scumreading him prior to the vote
- i'm taking issue with the fact that ur calling it nai, its like absolving yourself of any of thr connotations of the vote

[skitter30]

not sure, it's one of those sort of reads that has to be maintained by the person doing townie things and i've not been getting that out of u so it's kinda fading

ok you're probably not going to townread me this game then

:(

[ulyana]

but you say there is no way either of us could have had that information,

I mean the part about the sabotage, we couldn’t have known about

i guess i do not understand why it would matter if neither of us could have known about the sabotage if you think mafia had knowledge of the unilateral elimination,

like i speculate about you potentially angling to do so,

you then gain the ability to do so,

later you say you would have just killed me with the sabotage if i was a problem but there's no way either of us could have known about that

but it's like, i still would have had knowledge of your ability to eliminate me if i was mafia from your point of view,

so it feels like you're thinking of me as town while presenting something else

[skitter30]

This feels a bit handwavey, you're not at least a bit curious about it? I know you two are in good relations but I have found from an outsider perspective that you get hives about her sometimes. She's not really playing at a readable level.

She does sometimes sort of 'underplay' like this as town tbh
What i am finding weird is ghat she's calling people scumreading her scum when she knows that she isn't playing in a way that would get her townread

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

- which game was that?
- werent you following along in perpetual elo?
- how do u think i ought to have responded to u?
- i actually dont think i was being that strong for me, not sure if that is relevant or matters tho

[skitter30]

I think the best way to handle the duel is to try to get 2 scummy people in it to force at least one of them to die

[skitter30]

Anything more elaborate than that is encroaching into outguessing the mod territory and i dont have super high confidence we will manage to do so

[unwnd]

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I'm placing this quite yet. Gut would say on Saber or SirCakez. The former seems controversial and the latter I don't wanna have another game where me and Skitter are just in disagreement but happen to be the same alignment. I was a bit taken aback but her strong words but I'm starting to think that's how she is? I'm more familiar with her towngame but don't have data on her scumgame basically.

- which game was that?
- werent you following along in perpetual elo?
- how do u think i ought to have responded to u?
- i actually dont think i was being that strong for me, not sure if that is relevant or matters tho

Siege of aurelia? I secondguessed on you but I was able to bring it home and convince PenguinPower.

Somewhat..? Not entirely but definitely not to where I could remember Cakez' play to a tee.

I'm not sure how to answer this honestly. I think you would do you regardless and I'm fine with it.

I'm prickly towards people who are very 'this sucks' or use strong words like 'terrible' or whatever because it just an insert for thoughts you didn't wanna type up. It's with everyone and I tend to think scum like doing it more for completely biased reasons. Doesn't mean I think you're scum though lol

[unwnd]

This feels a bit handwavey, you're not at least a bit curious about it? I know you two are in good relations but I have found from an outsider perspective that you get hives about her sometimes. She's not really playing at a readable level.

She does sometimes sort of 'underplay' like this as town tbh
What i am finding weird is ghat she's calling people scumreading her scum when she knows that she isn't playing in a way that would get her townread

I don't really like it either but I'm not feeling like Ydra/Infinity are aligned here.

[Ydrasse]

i mean idk fmpov it's like

i'm not doing a lot but i'm not doing a lot that's scummy either so ... the people who are being pushed on a lot might be scum + the people pushing me are looking for ways to not be on partners