Mini Normal 2242 | Opossum Mafia | Game Over!

[Almost50]

Jacket has already linked it to you, mate.

Also.. a football game is about to kick off, so I will probably take a dive for the next 2 hours (maybe I will try to check in during the half-time)

[T3]

Jacket linked it
I think zen is town for his justification of why he tred a50

[Almost50]

I think everyone is town and scum may have not made it to the game.

[House]

T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)

This is actually close to what I was thinking. Except it makes more sense for cool cookie to be the traitor, since mailman returns a positive to a traffic analyst but a negative to a neighbor finder.

Well.. I could lowkey see your point, with both BP neighbors designed to be -ve utilities for both sides. Scum get failed NKs and Town gets falls +ve (Via COMPLEX VIG though, NOT the TA/Neighbor Finder)

You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?

That... completely flies over your head?

No. Just fucking no.

If you were town, you'd be screaming CC at Zen all day long.

This is the part that actually made me trust A50 the most in the beginning. He had the same role as me, and disclosed his before I did. That's what made me trust him because I figured we have the exact same role. But I gues BP traitor neighbour would claim to be a BP neighbour. I also found it weird that A50 went straight to claiming BP instead of trying to bait a shot with claiming Vanlilla. Then later he regrets it...

Can you link to a (completed) game that has 2 of the same roles where both are town-aligned that gives you that belief?

Last I knew, that doesn't happen BECAUSE it leads to town cc'ing town.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87504

This game had a 1-shot even night cop and a Night 2 Cop (effectively the same role). I think trying to outguess the mod is bad. (To be clear, I scumread T3 on play. Not just role spec stuff.)

That is not the same role.

Notice the different gates?

A50 adopted Zen's modifier.

[House]

If Zen was still townreading A50, I'd postulate that he was full bp and A50 was 1-shot in an attempt to WIFOM scum, but that's clearly not happening, here.

[Almost50]

@redtea: Shoot STD because you're the NK tonight either way. Thanks

[Almost50]

If Zen was still townreading A50, I'd postulate that he was full bp and A50 was 1-shot in an attempt to WIFOM scum, but that's clearly not happening, here.

What full BP? Who gives FULL BP in a game like this?? What's the Complex Vig for then??

[House]

If Zen was still townreading A50, I'd postulate that he was full bp and A50 was 1-shot in an attempt to WIFOM scum, but that's clearly not happening, here.

What full BP? Who gives FULL BP in a game like this?? What's the Complex Vig for then??

It's almost like there's more than 2 players in the game!

[HawaiianPizza]

it's interesting how no one is considering me at all

anyway, irl pain and wim long gone

i can't tell if phases lasting so long is a blessing or a curse tbh

[HawaiianPizza]

is there a case on someone

[House]

is there a case on someone

Aside from A50 not counterclaiming Zen for having his exact role and suddenly theorizing that I'm scum thinking he's my traitor after I got cold feet on an early day E-1 wagon?

Nah.

[HawaiianPizza]

is there a case on someone

Aside from A50 not counterclaiming Zen for having his exact role and suddenly theorizing that I'm scum thinking he's my traitor after I got cold feet on an early day E-1 wagon?

Nah.

does this mean they both claim bulletproof?
well, after sautéing a braincell, i can say i do expect a wolf in the PR claims, and i was leaning towards it being in the neighbours, who are... apparently both bulletproof now?

i still trust cool cookie's claim fwiw, idk much about recent events

[House]

is there a case on someone

Aside from A50 not counterclaiming Zen for having his exact role and suddenly theorizing that I'm scum thinking he's my traitor after I got cold feet on an early day E-1 wagon?

Nah.

does this mean they both claim bulletproof?
well, after sautéing a braincell, i can say i do expect a wolf in the PR claims, and i was leaning towards it being in the neighbours, who are... apparently both bulletproof now?

i still trust cool cookie's claim fwiw, idk much about recent events

They both claim 1-shot bp.

[Save The Dragons]

both of them?

who wants to bet one of them's the BP traitor

[Almost50]

They both claim 1-shot bp.

No we don't! We're not BOTH 1-shot BP. We're 1-shot BP EACH!

[House]

both of them?

who wants to bet one of them's the BP traitor

*raises hand*

[Almost50]

both of them?

who wants to bet one of them's the BP traitor

WOW! Such a revelation! I'm truly impressed.

[HawaiianPizza]

lol

[House]

both of them?

who wants to bet one of them's the BP traitor

WOW! Such a revelation! I'm truly impressed.

Considering that revelation never came to you...

[HawaiianPizza]

throwback to page 26, i'll be honest

i'm still unsure whether T3 meant to quote that.

[Three]

I'd vote T3 right now but I'm afraid he might self hammer.

I didn't ask redtea to shoot me to redirect a bullet away from scum. I asked to get shot because redtea was told not to shoot anyone, and I offered myself so that he'd at least have something to do. Then with T3's claim we had a way to clear me of being neither Mafia nor Traitor. Instead, he...targets Jacket.

The problem is not only did he not follow the plan, he didn't feel the need to check me even though he supposedly scum read me almost the entirety of Day 1. All this does is put me in a spot where people already don't trust me and then amplify it, since T3 purposely chose to keep my alignment unknown. He had no legitimate reason to check Jacket, and scum had no real reason not to kill T3.

T3's just scum claiming at this point.

[Almost50]

Considering that revelation never came to you...

Let's take a look back:

1- Who outed the hood? I did.
2- Who claimed his BP in public? I did
3- Who accused the other of being the Traitor (after more info was available)? I DID

So.. if you're going to claim the Traitor is in the hood was the one and only conclusion I should've had right off the gate, you're still voting the wrong person.

But considering you're SCUM in my solve, I don't find you voting me strange at all. At least once I flip the Town will reconsider and "maybe" someone will decide to tackle the idea that I am correct, and IF your theory of an investigative is in the unclaimed slots is true then all the better.

The thing i find most odd about you is not only are you voting me, but you also claim to believe there might be some yet another unclaimed PR in addition to a Complex Vig (effectively half-Investigative) and a TA/Neighbor Finder (an Investigative).

So, tell me: is it a 3rd investigative you suspect there might exist, or a protective (that has no function because the VTs/Goons are immune to the Vig and we have 2 BP claims)?

[House]

Considering that revelation never came to you...

Spoiler:

Let's take a look back:

1- Who outed the hood? I did.
2- Who claimed his BP in public? I did
3- Who accused the other of being the Traitor (after more info was available)? I DID

So.. if you're going to claim the Traitor is in the hood was the one and only conclusion I should've had right off the gate, you're still voting the wrong person.

But considering you're SCUM in my solve, I don't find you voting me strange at all. At least once I flip the Town will reconsider and "maybe" someone will decide to tackle the idea that I am correct, and IF your theory of an investigative is in the unclaimed slots is true then all the better.

The thing i find most odd about you is not only are you voting me, but you also claim to believe there might be some yet another unclaimed PR in addition to a Complex Vig (effectively half-Investigative) and a TA/Neighbor Finder (an Investigative).

So, tell me: is it a 3rd investigative you suspect there might exist, or a protective (that has no function because the VTs/Goons are immune to the Vig and we have 2 BP claims)?

Ridiculous wall of nothing trying to look productive.

Why do I say this?

Because I can counter his entire wall with lists I'VE ALREADY MADE.

T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)

This is actually close to what I was thinking. Except it makes more sense for cool cookie to be the traitor, since mailman returns a positive to a traffic analyst but a negative to a neighbor finder.

Well.. I could lowkey see your point, with both BP neighbors designed to be -ve utilities for both sides. Scum get failed NKs and Town gets falls +ve (Via COMPLEX VIG though, NOT the TA/Neighbor Finder)

You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?

That... completely flies over your head?

No. Just fucking no.

If you were town, you'd be screaming CC at Zen all day long.

There's definitely shenanigans going on in claimed roles.

I think there are shenanigans in the claimed power that already exists.

I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS.

[House]

Considering that revelation never came to you...

Spoiler:

Let's take a look back:

1- Who outed the hood? I did.
2- Who claimed his BP in public? I did
3- Who accused the other of being the Traitor (after more info was available)? I DID

So.. if you're going to claim the Traitor is in the hood was the one and only conclusion I should've had right off the gate, you're still voting the wrong person.

But considering you're SCUM in my solve, I don't find you voting me strange at all. At least once I flip the Town will reconsider and "maybe" someone will decide to tackle the idea that I am correct, and IF your theory of an investigative is in the unclaimed slots is true then all the better.

The thing i find most odd about you is not only are you voting me, but you also claim to believe there might be some yet another unclaimed PR in addition to a Complex Vig (effectively half-Investigative) and a TA/Neighbor Finder (an Investigative).

So, tell me: is it a 3rd investigative you suspect there might exist, or a protective (that has no function because the VTs/Goons are immune to the Vig and we have 2 BP claims)?

Ridiculous wall of nothing trying to look productive.

Why do I say this?

Because I can counter his entire wall with posts* I'VE ALREADY MADE.

T3's role was designed for Scum to identify their Traitor in at least 2 steps, and the Mailman is their "Miller" (gives them a false +ve)

This is actually close to what I was thinking. Except it makes more sense for cool cookie to be the traitor, since mailman returns a positive to a traffic analyst but a negative to a neighbor finder.

Well.. I could lowkey see your point, with both BP neighbors designed to be -ve utilities for both sides. Scum get failed NKs and Town gets falls +ve (Via COMPLEX VIG though, NOT the TA/Neighbor Finder)

You don't see the problem with TWO players claiming identical roles AS TOWN?

That... completely flies over your head?

No. Just fucking no.

If you were town, you'd be screaming CC at Zen all day long.

There's definitely shenanigans going on in claimed roles.

I think there are shenanigans in the claimed power that already exists.

I'VE ALREADY SAID THIS.

EBWOP

[HawaiianPizza]

VOTE: TheZenMan