Newbie 2079 | Open House | Game Over!!!

[Prism]

Let me be more specific: Why was I simultaneously your top scumread and top choice to

protect

?

The point was that I was going to jail you irrespective. Like, if you are scum d1, jailing you means I either prevent a NK, or prevent scum PR depending on whether you were goon or PR (and assuming we weren't in the column 3 setup)

I want to point out that while this would be a valid reason to JK me, this is the exact opposite of what you said in the post that you had prepared overnight to copy/paste.

I JKed Prism n1,

because I thought that Prism was most likely to be targeted d1.

(I crumbed that I would do this in post 361.)

"Prism was most likely to be targeted" in this context means "most likely to be nightkilled"

There is a way to salvage this, which is that this is a secondary reason to the reason in the world where I am town. There is no reason to think this was secondary, though, because I was your top scumread at the time you softed.

I worked out that,

given how wagons seemed to be going in this game, I'd be safe to just indicate who I was going to jail by making sure that I had jailed them

(and had some vague ideas to change my vote after e-0 had been reached if I needed to)

This doesn't see to indicate anything about me being town in the wake of the wagons.

I would appreciate some explanation of why I was "most likely to be targeted [by the nightkill]" at the time of 360. Looking at your claim that the pick was motivated by the wagons at the time makes this even worse. 339 is nearly identical to the vote count at the time of 360. The wagons are...RegRider with 2 votes and myself with 2 votes.

You also had yet to finish your catchup and only dropped in to quickly respond to a refutation I had rather than this being an interaction initiated by yourself with a night choice in mind

[Prism]

And Prism, feel free to interrogate me.

I have two questions:

1) There is only one possible cop in the game. Any setup with a cop has no other investigative role (eg. tracker or another cop). Why did you think MargotRosa might have a guilty on you?
2) These are the setup possibilities for a Mafia Rolecop:



Notice that there is no world where a Rolecop and a Cop are in the same game. Why did you think MargotRosa could be the rolecop?

[RH9]

I was giving her claimspace because I didn't want to restrict her claimspace. I gave the suggestion that she could be Rolecop because I felt like announcing that I knew she was either Roleblocker or Goon, was too mean and outted myself.

[RH9]

And I'm going to be busy for the next 2 hours so see you later.

[Prism]

I am interpreting this as saying the one mafia role it couldn't be as misdirection.

It is still unclear to me where the guilty claim even comes from, but I know you have explained it before so I'll try and revisit that instead of asking you for the tenth time.

[Prism]

I think this is Margot and the game is going to end the second I get them online at the same time as me, but I'll wait for that moment and to see what Cheeky thinks.

[CheekyTeeky]

...right.

[CheekyTeeky]

RH9 what we're you told exactly in your results?

[CheekyTeeky]

Were*

[CheekyTeeky]

This is why we should have waited but it's OK we can still salvage this as long as there are no more votes please until we work our wtf is going on.

[CheekyTeeky]

Out* man my typing skills are on point.

[RH9]

I was told Prism is Town, you (CheekyTeeky) are Town, and DaTacoX is Town.

[RH9]

I'm busy now. See you in 2 hours.

[CheekyTeeky]

Not anything like "x didn't visit anyone"

[CheekyTeeky]

VCA suggests Margot is not Conners partner.

[CheekyTeeky]

Votecount 2.4

MargotRosa(3)

~ Connordragon07(3), Prism(40), RH9(28)

RH9(1)

~ MargotRosa(23)

catboi(1)

~ CheekyTeeky(33)


Not Voting (2): camelCasedSnivy(22), catboi(42)

With 7 alive it takes 4 to eliminate.

Day 2 deadline is in (expired on 2021-10-07 18:20:16)

FLAVOR

Voting stalled out her on Margot then flipped to Connor. I don't see why Connor attempts to bus their partner there?

[CheekyTeeky]

And the Margot seems to have a guilty thing does look like a slip.
Hmm.

[CheekyTeeky]

RH9 you ballsy devil.

[CheekyTeeky]

No actually I don't think RH9 could pull this off as a newbie, but Margot could. Margot cast a lot of shade on Connor but never actually voted there. The crumb isn't very compelling either. I'm very impressed with the scumplay none-the-less.

[CheekyTeeky]

Ready to end the game when you are Prism.

[MargotRosa]

Let me be more specific: Why was I simultaneously your top scumread and top choice to

protect

?

The point was that I was going to jail you irrespective. Like, if you are scum d1, jailing you means I either prevent a NK, or prevent scum PR depending on whether you were goon or PR (and assuming we weren't in the column 3 setup)

I want to point out that while this would be a valid reason to JK me, this is the exact opposite of what you said in the post that you had prepared overnight to copy/paste.

I JKed Prism n1,

because I thought that Prism was most likely to be targeted d1.

(I crumbed that I would do this in post 361.)

"Prism was most likely to be targeted" in this context means "most likely to be nightkilled"

There is a way to salvage this, which is that this is a secondary reason to the reason in the world where I am town. There is no reason to think this was secondary, though, because I was your top scumread at the time you softed.

I worked out that,

given how wagons seemed to be going in this game, I'd be safe to just indicate who I was going to jail by making sure that I had jailed them

(and had some vague ideas to change my vote after e-0 had been reached if I needed to)

This doesn't see to indicate anything about me being town in the wake of the wagons.

I would appreciate some explanation of why I was "most likely to be targeted [by the nightkill]" at the time of 360. Looking at your claim that the pick was motivated by the wagons at the time makes this even worse. 339 is nearly identical to the vote count at the time of 360. The wagons are...RegRider with 2 votes and myself with 2 votes.

You also had yet to finish your catchup and only dropped in to quickly respond to a refutation I had rather than this being an interaction initiated by yourself with a night choice in mind

The way I saw it in this moment:

It was clear you had gotten into a position of Town Leader. This meant one of two things:
a) You were actually Town, the amount of trust everyone was placing in you was justified, and therefore you made the most sense to eliminate.
b) You were very convincing scum.

At the time, I thought it was one or the other. I had started warming up to your slot more by the end of d1, which is reflected in the ISO. I absolutely felt like I was most likely protecting Town, but the point is that in the two worlds I thought were possible, either way it would achieve something

[GeorgeBailey]

Votecount 4.2

Not Voting (2): CheekyTeeky(0), Prism(0)

Rh9(1)

~ MargotRosa(0)

MargotRosa(1)

~ Rh9(0)

With 4 alive it takes 3 to eliminate.

Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2021-10-19 07:19:45)

FLAVOR

You hear a twig break. And then several....

[MargotRosa]

No actually I don't think RH9 could pull this off as a newbie, but Margot could. Margot cast a lot of shade on Connor but never actually voted there. The crumb isn't very compelling either. I'm very impressed with the scumplay none-the-less.

I was surprised also, and have questioned myself and what was happening multiple times as a result. It's why so much of my play on d2 was confused, why I changed my mind a bunch, why on d2 I didn't JK RH9, etc.

What I think happened tbh was that the strategy for RH9 to lean into an investigative role was Connor's (a slot who has been playing longer than me) on day 2, and was a strat put together before it became clear Connor was going to be killed by Town.

Honestly explains a lot in my head, especially how RH9 plays with the investigative claim very differently before and after Connor dies. d2 looks coached to me, in a way that d3 doesn't. Investigating taco n1 was the only way to not possibly TMI that they weren't the role they claimed to be. Investigating Cheeky n2 makes no sense at all, especially given that both Connor and RH9 seemed to be setting up to Scum read me for a future elimination.

[CheekyTeeky]

Yes all good points but on the other side of the coin why does RH9 clear me as town as scum and then not NK me? Clearly the clear on me threw you into a corner and now here we are with your very creative play at winning as scum. RH9 doesn't NK catboi either, you had much more motive to.

[MargotRosa]

I almost certainly saved you by jailkeeping RH9 last night