Micro 1030: I tell you what I'm doing | Mafia Wins!

[DkKoba]

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Not in particular. Since age, experience, and time since last played apparently are the only interesting things about me, let's clear up a little of that. In my total career I can probably count on my two hands the total number of games I've ever played. I don't consider myself an expert, or even good necessarily. I take each game differently based on the situations presented and try new things. I haven't trademarked a style per se. I put feelers out, try to gather reads, and deduce what I can early game based on who bites on what. Later game when we have more content, I can and will dissect into things more.

I think one of the biggest challenges is that being bad at being town (essentially what Dk was trying to say about me I think?) doesn't equal scum every time. In my experience it seems people kind of forget that and just scum lock on small stuff early game.

no hard feelings?

Nah. I just didn't want to get the game stuck on being told I suck the whole time lol. But hey, we got folks talking (well, at least some of them) so there's that.


Does anyone else think Hockey intentionally skipped over me scumspecting him without any real reasoning given to hopefully not draw further attention to it?

thats generally how he reacted to pressure as scum iirc - either omgus or ignore - i'd have to reread, i dont want to misrep hockey here if i'm wrong, but hockey can correct the record himself if i am wrong before i do reread stuff.

[Galron]

VOTE: Emberbloom

I'm kinda feeling Ember/Hockey team at this juncture. I too got buddy-up vibes from his defense of me at first read through.

You're talking about Hockey trying to pocket you, right?

[Galron]

Finding myself committing a no no by starting to suspect Enchant for no current posting. Not going to do that bc I've had it done to me too many times.

[toxictaipan]

VOTE: Emberbloom

I'm kinda feeling Ember/Hockey team at this juncture. I too got buddy-up vibes from his defense of me at first read through.

You're talking about Hockey trying to pocket you, right?

Both really

[Galron]

VOTE: Emberbloom

I'm kinda feeling Ember/Hockey team at this juncture. I too got buddy-up vibes from his defense of me at first read through.

You're talking about Hockey trying to pocket you, right?

Both really

Do you have independent cases on them other than that?

[HockeyFan]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

[HockeyFan]

28 is certainly AI in some sense no? Scum!toxic did not have to say that lol. Scum care alot more about thier self-image

i can think of as many scenarios for scum!toxic to make it (easiest one would be "first push in the game will get it going in my direction") as i can for town!toxic so using it doesn't feel right. i think above doesn't make sense without hindsight

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

i don't like it either lul which is why i'm starting to look elsewhere
and ember?

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push. Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

[DkKoba]

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Not in particular. Since age, experience, and time since last played apparently are the only interesting things about me, let's clear up a little of that. In my total career I can probably count on my two hands the total number of games I've ever played. I don't consider myself an expert, or even good necessarily. I take each game differently based on the situations presented and try new things. I haven't trademarked a style per se. I put feelers out, try to gather reads, and deduce what I can early game based on who bites on what. Later game when we have more content, I can and will dissect into things more.

I think one of the biggest challenges is that being bad at being town (essentially what Dk was trying to say about me I think?) doesn't equal scum every time. In my experience it seems people kind of forget that and just scum lock on small stuff early game.

no hard feelings?

Nah. I just didn't want to get the game stuck on being told I suck the whole time lol. But hey, we got folks talking (well, at least some of them) so there's that.


Does anyone else think Hockey intentionally skipped over me scumspecting him without any real reasoning given to hopefully not draw further attention to it?

thats generally how he reacted to pressure as scum iirc - either omgus or ignore - i'd have to reread, i dont want to misrep hockey here if i'm wrong, but hockey can correct the record himself if i am wrong before i do reread stuff.

@hockey

[Save The Dragons]

maybe it is ember

[DkKoba]

maybe its love

[Save The Dragons]

maybe it's Maybelline

[HockeyFan]

do you have a preferred way of solving? the way you do it seems pretty reminiscent of older games i've read (which ofc checks out) but i don't know where exactly the pushing is taking you rn
(i think this would've been significantly more useful a couple of hours ago since you've made yourself clear + there's a lot more information i need to chew on but that was what i was thinking at the time)

Not in particular. Since age, experience, and time since last played apparently are the only interesting things about me, let's clear up a little of that. In my total career I can probably count on my two hands the total number of games I've ever played. I don't consider myself an expert, or even good necessarily. I take each game differently based on the situations presented and try new things. I haven't trademarked a style per se. I put feelers out, try to gather reads, and deduce what I can early game based on who bites on what. Later game when we have more content, I can and will dissect into things more.

I think one of the biggest challenges is that being bad at being town (essentially what Dk was trying to say about me I think?) doesn't equal scum every time. In my experience it seems people kind of forget that and just scum lock on small stuff early game.

no hard feelings?

Nah. I just didn't want to get the game stuck on being told I suck the whole time lol. But hey, we got folks talking (well, at least some of them) so there's that.


Does anyone else think Hockey intentionally skipped over me scumspecting him without any real reasoning given to hopefully not draw further attention to it?

thats generally how he reacted to pressure as scum iirc - either omgus or ignore - i'd have to reread, i dont want to misrep hockey here if i'm wrong, but hockey can correct the record himself if i am wrong before i do reread stuff.

@hockey

What am i responding to here? You want me to tell u what i do as scum???

[HockeyFan]

if thats the case, yea then 150 is pretty spot on lol

[cowsloveSushirolls]

my laptop deleted this like twice lul

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push.

Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

your only mention of ember was when they created the wallpost, which you pointed out as a possible pocket attempt
is there more to it now?

hockey!!! both alignments want to do town things like pushing in RVS
this argument forced me to look at toxic's opening posts and i think they're fine now, was focused too hard on the intentional lurking aspect knowing that they don't know anybody in this playerlist
bluntly i think this is just because you won't tell me what else you found from that ISO

[cowsloveSushirolls]

if thats the case, yea then 150 is pretty spot on lol

i like this because it shows that he forgot about the s tier scum method of deflecting to a partner when pushed which, i think he has done more than once

[T3]

Votecount:

• Emberbloom (2): DkKoba, toxictaipan
  cowsloveSushirolls (2): Save The Dragons, Galron
  DkKoba (1): Emberbloom
  Save The Dragons (1): HockeyFan

With 8 alive it takes 5 to eliminate.
Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-16 21:27:01).
I am standing on a train stopped at BU Central heading home.

[DkKoba]

if thats the case, yea then 150 is pretty spot on lol

i like this because it shows that he forgot about the s tier scum method of deflecting to a partner when pushed which, i think he has done more than once

If hockey were confirmed green to you - and ember was a flipped scum - what would you be looking at for a partner?

[HockeyFan]

my laptop deleted this like twice lul

wdym "and ember?". Also re your first point, im talking about that specific push.

Did Toxic have to push Koba? No, they didnt.

your only mention of ember was when they created the wallpost, which you pointed out as a possible pocket attempt
is there more to it now?

hockey!!! both alignments want to do town things like pushing in RVS
this argument forced me to look at toxic's opening posts and i think they're fine now, was focused too hard on the intentional lurking aspect knowing that they don't know anybody in this playerlist
bluntly i think this is just because you won't tell me what else you found from that ISO

1. Nah, mainly just POE + their post dont seem town
2. ok fine it was a bit more than 27, but I STILL think 27 is town+ Another reason I tr'd them is cuz they disengaged on Koba push and were willing to look at other ppl(42, 45,65)

[toxictaipan]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

Well. Ever since 96 you've been singing my praises as town. Which, if you have a town read on me, cool. But 146 feels simultaneously like distancing from Ember and trying to pocket me. Also you are agreeing that Ember is scum in words but your vote hasn't moved from Save The Dragons even though you've also casted some shade towards Cows since your vote on Save The Dragons. So to me your words aren't lining up with your actions 100%.

I have my vote on Ember because I feel more strongly right now that she is scum. You'd be my second choice for eliminating based on current feels.

[Galron]

Why is Enchant getting a pass?

[Galron]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

Well. Ever since 96 you've been singing my praises as town. Which, if you have a town read on me, cool. But 146 feels simultaneously like distancing from Ember and trying to pocket me. Also you are agreeing that Ember is scum in words but your vote hasn't moved from Save The Dragons even though you've also casted some shade towards Cows since your vote on Save The Dragons. So to me your words aren't lining up with your actions 100%.

I have my vote on Ember because I feel more strongly right now that she is scum. You'd be my second choice for eliminating based on current feels.

Can you cliff notes your case on Ember?

[Galron]

VOTE: enchant

[Galron]

idk, im finding it hard to make reads with this playerlist. tempted to say hero solve is like Cows+Ember? Not sure about that. Im mainly sring cows because of im not getting town pings from then rn/ I dont like the way they're interacting with toxic

Wait, am I conftown?

When did I ever say you were conf town? if you want to take a TR as you being conf town then ok ig? You "suspecting" me was saying I was partners with Ember, which tbh, I couldnt care less cuz we both think Ember is mafia. Intrested to hear why you think we are paired tho

Well. Ever since 96 you've been singing my praises as town. Which, if you have a town read on me, cool. But 146 feels simultaneously like distancing from Ember and trying to pocket me. Also you are agreeing that Ember is scum in words but your vote hasn't moved from Save The Dragons even though you've also casted some shade towards Cows since your vote on Save The Dragons. So to me your words aren't lining up with your actions 100%.

I have my vote on Ember because I feel more strongly right now that she is scum. You'd be my second choice for eliminating based on current feels.

Can you cliff notes your case on Ember?

Or really any case on Ember.

[Galron]

Spoiler:

hey toxic - regardless of your alignment - most people at this table have meta on me

If you're playing this game to win and not your future games, then I feel like leaning on your past games so heavily, kinda goes against the spirit of that rule.

This was literally explained later about stuff that is NAI about me, nice try trying to use this against me tho LMAO

i will shut you down so quick i dont care what alignment you are - you're going to *learn* this game.

This post above is also kinda gross, because I'd rather you hunt scum than just lay into someone to try and "teach them a lesson". Especially someone who's admitted they lost interest and came back. Do you know who else lost interest in mafia for a long time? Myself. I'm glad I'm playing under a new username, so that players here don't waste their time looking at games from six plus years ago that I couldn't even remember playing at this point. (see cows' 37).

are you sad I might be a tough push?

Anyway.


Koba, it seems like you're getting more into an argument about Meta and its use ITT, rather than contribute anything substantial to the game. How does 43 - telling people your current posting is 'confirmed' Not Alignment Indicative according to witness - differ from a trust tell, or at least not get similar enough in argument?

HAHAHHA is this scum venting about how they cant use stuff they would normally try to use as ammo against me? rich as hell. what is this supposed to mean ember? Why is what I've said insubstantial? Its literally early game and you think that im going to wax and wane some amazing analysis? what i posted was perfectly sound for early game - can you show how every other person in the game so far has posted more substantial content than I? I would love for you to do so.

Please cite which reads give you this vibe because as far as im concerned

i have not given a single one

other than to call you scum.

Did you not just link an entire offsite game and everything to explain your read on Hockey? Actually, it was toxic - the person you're calling scum - who was the first person to ask you about Hockey. You essentially said your read was not alignment indicative, but also that your exp with Hockey has only been with scum!Hock, yes? Implying this is town!Hock?

I said I am HESITANT about reading hockey as town here because i got snowed - you dont get to lie via omission. I will call you out everytime. You are done.

Well, I'm surprised you went that deep into all of -gestures- that mess, instead of asking why toxic was inquiring about the vote. Given that Hockey had voted STD... for voting toxic. You engaged with the person you're calling scum to defend your read

i do this all the time especially early game because I am actually evaluating those people - YOU YOURSELF SAID THEIR EARLY POSTS WERE BAD AND THEN SAID THERE WAS A GOOD ONE LATER - so don't even try to give me this shit

, and are attacking people for calling out your use of Meta as a defense, yet didn't bother:
- asking about the chainsaw defense above, at all.

- inquiring more about toxic's lack of vote and blatant lurking (as toxic admitted to leaving as bait).

- or even my own post calling interactions between four players "noise" and blatantly choosing not to interact. (but were fine with also voting toxic who I started an easy pressure wagon for; showing you have the capability to

appear

like you're scumhunting at minimum)


And yet. You had multiple points to find something to latch on to, yet you seem to only have "light pings" as reads; casting implied town vibes on Hockey and scum vibes on STD along the way in 63.

hockey was barely the whim of a vibe - and STD was fake pressure to push out of RVS - this is how i play the early game often. got anything better?

I don't like this playstyle. It looks genuine, sure, but you're not actually

doing

anything?

HAHHAHA we aren't even at post 100 my guy - looks like you realized this during this post and had to pivot into trying to shade me on purpose

My fucking scumgame is S tier when it comes to mimicking how i form reads as town so for you to accuse me of that is so fucking fake.

My d1 as scum are the most genuine looking *always*.

Hey, Koba. Just because the games titled, "I tell you what I'm doing", doesn't mean that's like, a post restriction for

you

.

but how is this post scummy bud? Why did you include it? Oh wait right - its fluff to make your case seem bigger than it is.

VOTE: Koba


Why tunnel in on toxic for voting you while you're handwaving Hockey's RVS vote on you due to 'personality'? Why did you genuinely answer someone who you thought was scum and was trying to "pressure" instead of applying more pressure or wondering why toxic was inquiring? Why not ask about me voting someone

outside

you/cows/HockeyFan?

Why not push Hock for reasoning on his STD chainsaw vote - if you were legitimately trying to solve this game via a meta playstyle - given your small sample size with his meta, then?

Also I haven't claimed once that I have more experience than you or alluded to my start date. I'm rusty, so what? Feel free to keep calling me a clown. Maybe you and the handful of other active players on this site can meta-jerk each other enough to run off any other returning players from having fun at the game too.

I refuse your olive branch.

As another player coming back off a long burnout, regardless of anyone's alignment here, I concur with toxic.

Maybe dialogue with us instead of pretending like you're better than us.

holy balls i got bored in ediitng in replies - this shit is all fluffy bullshit.

dkkoba This is the most significant post about Ember that I see from you. It's like you start from a premise that Ember is scum. I can't find where you actually say why they're scum other than their entrance was bad. Is that still it?

[Galron]

Cows is probably town btw