Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[unwnd]

I acknowledge the posts about and towards me regardless. I have thoughts on them but will keep it to myself as I think the raw approach to get into the game has worked unfavorably

[Morning Tweet]

"Fateful Duel"

Event Rules

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Decision 3.0.9

unwnd [6]:

Saber, Ydrasse, skitter30, SirCakez, Toogeloo, unwnd

Saber [2]:

Gamma Emerald, Infinity 324

Toogeloo [1]:

Gypyx

Infinity 324 [1]:

Dwlee99

Dunnstral [1]:

Taly

SirCakez [1]:

petapan

Not Voting [2]:

ulyana, Dunnstral

With 14 contestants remaining, it takes 8 votes to nominate a duelist.
The contestant with the second-most votes at majority or deadline will also be nominated. Plurality and seniority are in effect for both nominations.

The deadline for this decision is in:

(expired on 2021-10-19 17:07:18)

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[SirCakez]

it's not just you specifically

What team do you see peta as a part of, and why does that team have extra incentive to kill Pooky?

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

infinity just seems so absent and uninfluential it's really weird and makes me think they are scum too

Thats kinda just how she plays ?

since when? i remember Inf being a really influential player in past games

The two-ended admission of bussing is very on the nose.

what does this mean?

[SirCakez]

I will happily duel with Unwnd
FYI
but also Unwnd and Dunn dueling would be hype
I like Saber's logic for Unwnd scum - Unwnd's read on her seems faked

here's a reason to vote infinity
she pops in just to drop a vote on Gypyx who randomly showed up in the last few pages and made a mistake
feels like Inf was just looking to drop a vote somewhere and picked Gyp

How are you reading gypyx?

more likely town I think based on what I think scum are doing

You know what? Spiteful vote.

VOTE: unwnd

Hurry this shit up. Then whatever the outcome may be once you see that I'm a contestant rethink the gamestate because one of you is not being charitable. Someone asked me earlier 'what about the people who voted your slot galron' and my answer back then no longer applies. I refuse to believe a town of Skitter/Peta/Ydra/Cakez can't see that I'm not the right choice. One or even two in that group is not playing for the green team.

this is LAMISTy scum tactic
a lot of "woe is me" bs

yeah, nvm, cakez's response to unwnd last night is in total null territory (citation: warehouse 13), townreads for it are bad

i think the solving feels maybe genuine there but not confident at all

how does this relate to W13?

@peta sorry i read cakez iso and came to the same conclusion as before. the towniest thing i can pinpoint is the indecisiveness on you

i feel like if anything he'd be more prone to to getting tunnely, he seemed almost too soft in his read of ceph/me

but that's not really what the basis for my read is, i'm just not hard shoving it yet

was interested in your take because you've seen him as both alignments relatively recently

why would I do this when it has actively not worked for me in the past?

[petapan]

a team that's trying to dominate the gamestate and completely control the direction of the town
pooky is a loud voice that has to go if you want to accomplish that
so that means that scum is in the more active players

why would a lurker scumteam not want to kill pooky lmao

[Gamma Emerald]

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

[Gamma Emerald]

It was less about it being tactical, and more about it feeling unnatural.

My issue rn kinda lies with this comment. I feel like it’s a bit revisionist history given pushing me is no longer the in mode thing to do. Before this I distinctly recall you saying when I was switching things up it felt to you like I was scum seeing my current approach wasn’t working and trying something new. That is essentially being tactical about switching up my play. And yet you nitpick my word choice like this, it feels incredibly concerning, like you’re trying to detach yourself from the push on me you had before.

Yes, it was both. My point was that your shifts in attitude seemed unnatural, which is the main way to tell whether they're from a stagehand or contestant. It can only be theorised whether they're actually tactical because they didn't even go well for you. For example, your acting like a jester and then turning on Prism only seemed to attract more heat on you, so saying it's a stagehand tactic is iffy since you'd be actively pursuing bad tactics. I'd prefer to look at whether it was actually natural for you start acting those ways when you did.

This sounds alright btw

[ulyana]

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

nope your vote moved it from toogeloo onto infinity

[Gamma Emerald]

like everyone slightly moving the second duelist while not really making it clear they are is suspicious yeah? and how everyone is ignoring what happened last night from toog unwnd vote on is very very confusing

what is it you want to be acknowledged

toog votes unwnd to e-2 when toog is the most likely other duelist, then unwnd selfvotes to e-1 when toog/unwnd would be the duelists, then gamma moves the second duelist off of toogeloo while asking unwnd who second duelist should be?? which just doesn't make any sense when we are trying to have two mafias in the duel,

I see what ulyana means. If we're aiming to get 2 stagehands inside the duel, we shouldn't be allowing 1 duelist to pick the other since a stagehand isn't going to pick another stagehand to include.

I don’t want to put someone unwnd has no desire to flip in there with him, because as I see things he feels like town but it’s hard to justify not putting him in the duel with how he’s acted. So my philosophy is to make the move that gives him the best opportunity to reveal his own alignment if he survives. The way to do that is clearly to give him a chance at a flip he wants.

[Gamma Emerald]

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

nope your vote moved it from toogeloo onto infinity

I don’t recall infinity having 2 votes when I did that

[ulyana]

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

nope your vote moved it from toogeloo onto infinity

I don’t recall infinity having 2 votes when I did that

all of the non-unwnd parties with votes had 1 and the one on infinity was oldest

[ulyana]

like everyone slightly moving the second duelist while not really making it clear they are is suspicious yeah? and how everyone is ignoring what happened last night from toog unwnd vote on is very very confusing

what is it you want to be acknowledged

toog votes unwnd to e-2 when toog is the most likely other duelist, then unwnd selfvotes to e-1 when toog/unwnd would be the duelists, then gamma moves the second duelist off of toogeloo while asking unwnd who second duelist should be?? which just doesn't make any sense when we are trying to have two mafias in the duel,

I see what ulyana means. If we're aiming to get 2 stagehands inside the duel, we shouldn't be allowing 1 duelist to pick the other since a stagehand isn't going to pick another stagehand to include.

I don’t want to put someone unwnd has no desire to flip in there with him, because as I see things he feels like town but it’s hard to justify not putting him in the duel with how he’s acted. So my philosophy is to make the move that gives him the best opportunity to reveal his own alignment if he survives. The way to do that is clearly to give him a chance at a flip he wants.

????

if we put two players into the duel, one dies and flips mafia, what do you assume about the other’s alignment??

[ulyana]

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

nope your vote moved it from toogeloo onto infinity

I don’t recall infinity having 2 votes when I did that

all of the non-unwnd parties with votes had 1 and the one on infinity was oldest

i don’t really get how both of you are saying ope didn’t know where the votes were while you were voting around an e-1 who had just self-voted like day could have ended at anytime multiple people shifting secondary duelist and then ‘ope who knew’ is !!!

[unwnd]

Realistically how much leeway am I given here. I'm not going to come back with shocking revelations but I will do my best to be somewhat thorough and just hard look at the game when I have time.

Part of me honestly doesn't want to do this, but see: raw approach not working

[petapan]

can't speak for anyone else but i'm open to persuasion but want to see thoughts, not feelings

the fact that i've moved my vote based on my own investigation should tell you i'm not locked in

[Gamma Emerald]

all of the non-unwnd parties with votes had 1 and the one on infinity was oldest

Toog had 2 though before I switched, so it was still set to Toog I think?

[Gamma Emerald]

I knew what I was doing, I think you're the one who's confused about how plurality works

[ulyana]

all of the non-unwnd parties with votes had 1 and the one on infinity was oldest

Toog had 2 though before I switched, so it was still set to Toog I think?

when you moved off of toogeloo there was one vote remaining, gypyx. gypyx vote on toogeloo was more recent than dwlee's on infinity. how would plurality+seniority mean anything other than infinity would be chosen in that situation?

[Gamma Emerald]

iirc how it's determined is tied wagons are resolved by which had more votes more recently
Toog going from leading at 2 to tied at 1 would still make Toog the runner-up in that scenario

how do you read unwnd/toog, anyway?

[ulyana]

iirc how it's determined is tied wagons are resolved by which had more votes more recently
Toog going from leading at 2 to tied at 1 would still make Toog the runner-up in that scenario

how do you read unwnd/toog, anyway?

Plurality and seniority are in effect for both nominations.

seniority here would mean tied wagons would be resolved by which had the oldest vote

unwnd's entrance was strange to me as skitter and i pointed out in real time and then sircakez and saber reiterated, and the self-voting thing very confusing, but i did think galron's interactions with me shortly before replacement that i asked ydrasse and infinity about were +town,

toogeloo has been fairly scummy to me and i do not really understand your movements around the slot

[Gamma Emerald]

Toog is honestly kinda just riding hell out of my blind spot if he's scum, I keep feeling more intent on making other things happen

@unwnd

what is your feelings on Toog atm? You tilted in response to him voting you when he was the runner-up, I feel like that's a bit of a weird reaction?

[ulyana]

iirc how it's determined is tied wagons are resolved by which had more votes more recently
Toog going from leading at 2 to tied at 1 would still make Toog the runner-up in that scenario

but also if you thought it worked this way, why did you think your vote moved it here:

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

??

[Toogeloo]

Why do people think the two duelists will shoot at each other?

[ulyana]

iirc how it's determined is tied wagons are resolved by which had more votes more recently
Toog going from leading at 2 to tied at 1 would still make Toog the runner-up in that scenario

but also if you thought it worked this way, why did you think your vote moved it here:

unwnd still at e-1 and infinity moving the default second duelist off herself onto saber

Pretty sure my vote had already moved it?

??

and this:

I knew what I was doing, I think you're the one who's confused about how plurality works

like,

if you thought it worked that way and knew what you were doing, why did you think your vote had moved the default second duelist?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a derp because I'd thought Saber had an existing vote that I'd previously recognized as not being there