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Post Post #75 (ISO) » Tue Oct 12, 2021 2:02 pm

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In post 2981, unwnd wrote:I put townies in quotations because I don't think this would be so difficult if the team weren't involved. I mean, I guess that's obvious. My slot (Galron) was chosen by Gamma and the Stagehands intervened and killed off Pooky. Right now I am almost certain that Gamma would not chose to execute a (Townie) just to have his own team disagree and sabotage the event when he has control. Gamma is certifiably town for that alone. So what am I to think about the fact (Galron) was spared over Pooky? Not much, because nobody else seems to care. That leaves me a bit biased and feeling like I shouldn't compromise with people who can't see that Galron is not a big enough player (no offense) for Stagehands to waste one of their sabotages on. Were they afraid of clearing Gamma? Doesn't seem so because the sabotage itself already clears him in my mind.

This is like exactly the wrong kind of analysis to make if unwnd is town here.

Because why would scum redirect the execution of a townie, to kill another townie unless scum have control of the execution device? It's like giving Gamma-town another shot at the bucket for no reason whatsoever after
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just to kill little old me!?!?
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Post Post #76 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:56 am

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Yeah we should've killed Gamma. That's a good point Pooky. Just from a mech standpoint it makes sense.
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Post Post #77 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:59 am

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shiki really is brilliant. I was just coming around to trusting her. She plays on a higher level, and it's difficult to get your head around some of what she's saying. Just takes thoughtful patience.
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Post Post #78 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:54 am

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Post Post #79 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:58 am

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Post Post #80 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 8:03 am

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if dunnstral doesnt spin the barrel thats like a borderline scum claim.
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Post Post #81 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:54 pm

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Spin the barrel is important to save for a perceived disadvantageous scenario. It doesn't matter if you prove you don't know where the bullet is. Your goal is to come out of the duel alive.
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Post Post #82 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:59 pm

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it doesn't matter if you come out of the duel alive if people still think you are mafia afterwards?
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Post Post #83 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:00 pm

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As an example, with 3 bullets in the gun you want to spin the barrel. Assume random placement-shooting self and having the opponent respond by shooting you means 2/3 chance you get shot. Shooting opponent results in the same, as they will shoot you if both of your shots are blank.
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Post Post #84 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:00 pm

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If people think you are mafia for opting to flip the opponent instead of yourself they are completely and totally idiotic.
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Post Post #85 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:12 pm

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well town wouldn't know where the bullet is, mafia do.

spinning the barrel randomizes the bullet placement and puts you back at the same level of knowledge.

For example if Dunn is town and Tooge is scum, Tooge could just put the bullet in position 2/4/6 and there is no way Dunn can shoot Tooge.

In that scenario it is better for town Dunn to spin the barrel before shooting Tooge.
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Post Post #86 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:25 pm

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And it is fine to spin the barrel early to counteract that. Scum inherently have the advantage in the game by virtue of knowledge. Spinning immediately converts that advantage into has spin (and therefore can avoid 3 bullet scenarios) vs. does not have spin (and therefore cannot)

There's no reason to believe holding the spin is a scumclaim, though.
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Post Post #87 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 3:26 pm

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I guess you can argue that that conversion is inherently +town. I might agree but am not sold on it.
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Post Post #88 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 4:16 pm

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I think of every turn you take as a chance to kill yourself.

Spinning the barrel is essentially a pass.

However shooting yourself is superior to spinning the barrel if you know there's not bullet in the first chamber.

If Dunn is scum and is planning on winning, I'd think he'd want to put the bullet in the 3rd chamber, shoot himself and pass the gun to Tooges.
Tooges can then either shoot Dunn, and kill himself or shoot himself and pass the gun to Dunn, and then Dunn will shoot Tooge.

I think it was purely a bunch of performative gibberish that Dunn typed out in the thread about how the bullet should be in the 3rd/4th chamber.

Mechanically if Tooge is scum and Dunn is town, Tooge's team would only but the bullet in the 2nd/4th/6th chambers so that Dunn has no chance of beating Tooge. Dunn is mechanically savvy enough to be aware of this. Instead he makes up some nonsense about "middle numbers" like lol what?

Now once Tooge spins, Dunn has not information, so he spins and punts back to Tooge.
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Post Post #89 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:04 pm

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Post Post #90 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:10 pm

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That was really unlucky
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Post Post #91 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:12 pm

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Post Post #92 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:12 pm

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Call me crazy but I'm a bit skeptical that town got that extra advantage from sparing in the game.
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Post Post #93 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:13 pm

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Tooge is the fucking panda hero this game needed

I love that dude

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Post Post #94 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:13 pm

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What would it even be? Randomized bullet start instead of scum pick?
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Post Post #95 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:13 pm

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In post 90, Dunnstral wrote:That was really unlucky
Yeah it was. The first spin put it on 4, the second put it on 1.
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Post Post #96 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:14 pm

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Post Post #97 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:17 pm

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Post Post #98 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:17 pm

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I can reveal what about the event was determinant without spoiling too much.

Scum knew a secret about the event. If they so chose, a stagehand in the duel could fire the gun 6 times at (any player in the game of their choice / just their opponent). They would then be disqualified and killed. That was not a sabotage, either, that was just a hidden action. If a town executioner is spared, the glass was made bulletproof so this secret action only works on the opponent.
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Post Post #99 (ISO) » Wed Oct 13, 2021 7:21 pm

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