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[Save The Dragons]

i have no problems claiming

[House]

i have no problems claiming

Neither do I, but I only participate in massclaims via popcorn method.

It's policy.

[House]

It's also more informational than some drummed up list.

[Save The Dragons]

i'm fine whatever method popcorn is fine

[House]

Can somebody walk me through why we would not have a TA since redtea was a gated vig?

Weak/Loyal/Disloyal, I'd understand, but Complex just told him whether the player is PR/Vanilla.

Would 2 power roles that can both give false positives not be the rough equivalent of 1 actually useful investigational role?

[House]

Why would a Mafia TA need a false positive (cool cookie)?

[House]

Oh, to offset the neighbors, perhaps?

[Dwlee99]

bad shade yesterday

On who. You? Your claim was extremely suspicious and I don't feel like it fits into the game. I don't think I've seen roleblockers in minis so why should I think there is one here?

[Dwlee99]

Why would a Mafia TA need a false positive (cool cookie)?

I mean I agree, but I'm not sure why you would assume that it's a real claim instead of made up.

[Three]

Can somebody walk me through why we would not have a TA since redtea was a gated vig?

Weak/Loyal/Disloyal, I'd understand, but Complex just told him whether the player is PR/Vanilla.

Would 2 power roles that can both give false positives not be the rough equivalent of 1 actually useful investigational role?

It certainly can be useful, but that's not the problem.

What use does Town have for being able to find Neighbors? TA can find scum, sure, but Neighbor Finder has no real town use, and the fact that both Neighbors are BP just seems more helpful for scum to find than town.

I am however willing to listen to a town case for a Neighbor Finder given the context of our Neighbors being BP in a set up that is confirmed to have a BP Traitor.

[Dwlee99]

Neighbor finder sounds useless as either alignment to me. People claim that anyway

[House]

Can somebody walk me through why we would not have a TA since redtea was a gated vig?

Weak/Loyal/Disloyal, I'd understand, but Complex just told him whether the player is PR/Vanilla.

Would 2 power roles that can both give false positives not be the rough equivalent of 1 actually useful investigational role?

It certainly can be useful, but that's not the problem.

What use does Town have for being able to find Neighbors? TA can find scum, sure, but Neighbor Finder has no real town use, and the fact that both Neighbors are BP just seems more helpful for scum to find than town.

I am however willing to listen to a town case for a Neighbor Finder given the context of our Neighbors being BP in a set up that is confirmed to have a BP Traitor.

PT Cop is a new role to me. It didn't exist when I was here last.

I don't know the intracacies and full utility of it.

A method of testing claims, perhaps? That doesn't confirm alignment, though. The other half of his role is more useful for that, if he's town.

IDK. :/

[Three]

Also why wasn't T3 blocked? We already think he's fake claiming, but if he's town why would scum risk not blocking him in case he is actually fake claiming and has a more substantial PR?

To put it another way, if I was scum and T3 was town, I don't start randomly blocking other people. It's just such an unnecessary risk.

I recommend everyone else think through that hypothetical situation themselves. If you're scum and T3 is town, do you really risk not blocking him Night 2?

[House]

Why would a Mafia TA need a false positive (cool cookie)?

I mean I agree, but I'm not sure why you would assume that it's a real claim instead of made up.

Because it's a dumb claim to make up?

If T3 had only claimed TA, then sure maybe it is made up, but PT Cop actually works

against

him.

I don't see why he would fake that.

[Dwlee99]

How is it a PT cop? That checks if you're in a PT at all and no combination of ta and neighbor can do that

[Dwlee99]

Neighbor Finder*

[Dwlee99]

Also why wasn't T3 blocked? We already think he's fake claiming, but if he's town why would scum risk not blocking him in case he is actually fake claiming and has a more substantial PR?

To put it another way, if I was scum and T3 was town, I don't start randomly blocking other people. It's just such an unnecessary risk.

I recommend everyone else think through that hypothetical situation themselves. If you're scum and T3 is town, do you really risk not blocking him Night 2?

Roleblockers are rare and very strong so if there is one it might be gated

[House]

Also why wasn't T3 blocked? We already think he's fake claiming, but if he's town why would scum risk not blocking him in case he is actually fake claiming and has a more substantial PR?

To put it another way, if I was scum and T3 was town, I don't start randomly blocking other people. It's just such an unnecessary risk.

I recommend everyone else think through that hypothetical situation themselves. If you're scum and T3 is town, do you really risk not blocking him Night 2?

Why would he claim blocked n2 but not n3 if he's lying when claiming to be blocked again n3 would be more believable?

The fact it makes him look worse than maintaining a blocked claim actually gives it credibility, to me. *shrug*

[House]

@T3: I dunno if you're Town or Scum, but delaying your full claim any further is scummy as hell. It gives the impression you're faking and afraid to specify lest you be CC'd. IF you're Towm you're dead already, unless you can convince a protective to be on you, and I doubt anyone will be convinced by "I'm an investigative"

Odd Night Traffic Analyst Even Night Neighbor Finder

Sorry, I misremembered.

PT Cop, neighbor finder, they look the same to me because both roles are new to me.

[Three]

Neighbor finder sounds useless as either alignment to me. People claim that anyway

I don't disagree too much with this.

Can somebody walk me through why we would not have a TA since redtea was a gated vig?

Weak/Loyal/Disloyal, I'd understand, but Complex just told him whether the player is PR/Vanilla.

Would 2 power roles that can both give false positives not be the rough equivalent of 1 actually useful investigational role?

It certainly can be useful, but that's not the problem.

What use does Town have for being able to find Neighbors? TA can find scum, sure, but Neighbor Finder has no real town use, and the fact that both Neighbors are BP just seems more helpful for scum to find than town.

I am however willing to listen to a town case for a Neighbor Finder given the context of our Neighbors being BP in a set up that is confirmed to have a BP Traitor.

PT Cop is a new role to me. It didn't exist when I was here last.

I don't know the intracacies and full utility of it.

A method of testing claims, perhaps? That doesn't confirm alignment, though. The other half of his role is more useful for that, if he's town.

IDK. :/

That's kind of my point, it's only half useful for town if true.

[House]

TheZenMan - lean town
House - lean town
Save The Dragons - lock town
Three - null town
T3
Jacket - scum
Dwlee99 - lean scum
HawaiianPizza - town

Do you have some raisins to go with that potato salad?

[Dwlee99]

STD or House pick a person to start the popcorn

[House]

Jacket.

[Three]

Also why wasn't T3 blocked? We already think he's fake claiming, but if he's town why would scum risk not blocking him in case he is actually fake claiming and has a more substantial PR?

To put it another way, if I was scum and T3 was town, I don't start randomly blocking other people. It's just such an unnecessary risk.

I recommend everyone else think through that hypothetical situation themselves. If you're scum and T3 is town, do you really risk not blocking him Night 2?

Roleblockers are rare and very strong so if there is one it might be gated

A scum team that has only has two mafia and a gated role blocker sounds odd. But I can't judge balance here.

[Dwlee99]

I've seen odd-night strongman and a traffic analyst with a traitor which is weaker to me than anything with a roleblocker