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[Gamma Emerald]

Yoink

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not even the one Marci is talking to and I feel bad
wow

HUH?? AM I MAKING YALL FEEL BAD IM SORRY-
i thought i was keeping my negative emotions at bay

Uhh i don't mind.

[redtea]

I'm not even the one Marci is talking to and I feel bad
wow

HUH?? AM I MAKING YALL FEEL BAD IM SORRY-
i thought i was keeping my negative emotions at bay

disappointed but supportive big sis energy
I fear going against you

[marcistar]

dwwwww

wait redtea r u still here :<
if ur not gonna give reads i wanna ask u a diff question which i think u could possible have an answer for (:

[redtea]

dwwwww

wait redtea r u still here :<
if ur not gonna give reads i wanna ask u a diff question which i think u could possible have an answer for (:

sure

also gonna look over the thread again now that i'm at my computer

[marcistar]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

[Dwlee99]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

Check your role pm

[toxictaipan]

toxictaipan

im interested in ur input on this val stuff, do u mind giving some thoughts about that and anything else u may have thought of..?

The past 13 pages are exhausting. If I were Val and scum in this situation, I'd be giving some better replies, though. Town is looking for an excuse to lim him and the chip on the shoulder attitude might just be it. I think scum Val would realize this and not be so standoffish.

I think the interactions between DArby and NorwegianboyEE are much more interesting, but can't quite pin a read either way on the two yet.

[toxictaipan]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

Check your role pm

Lol but for real, though. I honestly don't know either.

[marcistar]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

Check your role pm

wtf howd u know~!!@#@@

doo u have any thoughts

The past 13 pages are exhausting. If I were Val and scum in this situation, I'd be giving some better replies, though. Town is looking for an excuse to lim him and the chip on the shoulder attitude might just be it. I think scum Val would realize this and not be so standoffish.

hmm maybe they are exhausting
do u think we should just ignore the meta..?

I think the interactions between DArby and NorwegianboyEE are much more interesting, but can't quite pin a read either way on the two yet.

what interests you the most about it..? (can u quote anything maybe..?) i think norwegianboyee stood out more than darby from it, but it wasn't really something in my memory anyways.

im not sure if this will help at all but this is how i read the situation:
- i have a townread on darby because of how hard he stuck to his opinion, especially when going back and forth with norwegianboyee and gamma having pitched in a bit. these two are players who have some of the largest sway on the game so far, he could've easily backed down to avoid the conflict/attention, but continuing to stick to it reads as someone uninformed, who really does feel like they're in the right.
- dont really have a strong read on norwegianboyee from it tho

[Gamma Emerald]

~ all members of the

mafia

are

backup ascetics

. they may or may not have additional roles and/or modifiers.

wwhats an ascetic..

role that makes all non-killing actions targeting it fail
for mafia the main utility is blocking investigations
the fact they're all backup ascetic is

interesting

since I played a game modded by datisi's friendo georgebailey where I and a scumpartner were both backup neighbors and that allowed for some fun pocketing shenanigans

[NorwegianboyEE]

The past 13 pages are exhausting. If I were Val and scum in this situation, I'd be giving some better replies, though. Town is looking for an excuse to lim him and the chip on the shoulder attitude might just be it. I think scum Val would realize this and not be so standoffish.

Are you Val?

[NorwegianboyEE]

- i have a townread on darby because of how hard he stuck to his opinion, especially when going back and forth with norwegianboyee and gamma having pitched in a bit. these two are players who have some of the largest sway on the game so far, he could've easily backed down to avoid the conflict/attention, but continuing to stick to it reads as someone uninformed, who really does feel like they're in the right.

I agree on this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I understand the "why would scum!Val play like this" angle, i really do.
But i think it's an faulty argument because it is just as likely that Val could choose to continue to play like this as scum as he would as town. It would be quite jarring if he suddenly started posting a lot of huge posts in response to the pressure. I think he just knows he has to keep going this way, and i don't see the town motivation in what he is doing. So therefore i'm keeping my vote on Val at least until i understand it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

To put it simple, if i started a game as scum and played badly, and then suddenly everyone asks "why are you doing this?", the smart move isn't to make excuses and try to shittily emulate my town meta, but just act like this is how i play this game and it's nothing you should care about.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Val89

who do you think is scum on your wagon rn?

[Datisi]

vote count 1.05

with 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to make a decision. day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-25 14:15:00).

yeet

Val89 [5]:

Gamma Emerald, NorwegianboyEE, T3, marcistar, redtea

DArby [2]:

camelCasedSnivy, AliceK

NorwegianboyEE [2]:

DArby, Val89

AliceK [1]:

Jolyne

Not_Mafia [1]:

Not_Mafia

T3 [1]:

Dwlee99

not voting [1]:

toxictaipan

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[NorwegianboyEE]

I’d rather Val just given an honest explanation if he’s town here. I don’t really want to consider whether any sort of belligerence is more likely to come from scum or town.

[Datisi]

prodding Not_Mafia.

[Not_Mafia]

Here and ready to hammer

[redtea]

so I get a strong vibe norwee is playing hardball scum here
and val could just be stubborn town, or
a weak link on norwee's team. Something about how hard norwee is going feels like it's that or norwee is testing something. Whether that test is for pro-town reasons or not idk.

All shakes down to val being limmed today, but I wanted to share some thoughts

[redtea]

also bc I don't think?? anyone elaborated

@darby

"informed" or "uninformed" in a mafia context refers to the information scum or town are privy to, as mafia is a game of an informed minority (scum) vs a uninformed majority (town).
So when people say something sounds "informed", that usually refers to someone being too confident in the state of something, i.e. someone's alignment or role.
So someone might sound Too sure someone is town.
Or, because of scum abilities/mechanics reasons, be Too sure a certain role exists (/who has that role).

[redtea]

sorry if someone did say all that already, might've missed it

[Val89]

I don't actually believe all those espousing the view that I am such a poor scum player I am incapable of playing mafia in the shock of opening a red role PM, and instead have no choice but to announce myself as scum, genuinely legitimately believe that.

I've giving redtea a little bit of a pass on this one, because although some examples have been posted in this thread, the context - that the wall of text comes very early, on the first page or two at a time where there is little to no actual justification to read anyone in any direction, is important. If you do read them in context you would notice that, despite being walls, the reads and the justification for them are absolute garbage, and you should regard anyone who has tried to represent my meta as delivering "insight" with suspicion.

They are such obvious bullshit that I usually choose to open the game in the manner I do for the actual game advancing discussion it usually generates when someone does, or pretends to, take it seriously and attack the merits and try to start a wagon on me as a result. Given this playlist, and the familiarity a good portion of the players here have with it, I figured the

absence

of such a wall (particularly if I opened with exactly a single word) would serve the same purpose; and I appear to have been proven right.

As it happens, redtea, I got the exact same 'vibes', though I called it 'gut', out of Norwee, and is the reason I am starting there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So your idea of scum hunting is to intenionally play scummy as an strategy, and that is what you did here?