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Post Post #200 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 5:58 pm

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Alright let me catch up
In post 97, schadd_ wrote:well i can tell you i chose a person to vote based on their posting
Oh well in that case carry on. But no really, would have loved to hear an actual reason for the vote.

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There's one point of charlemagne's I particularly agree with, that we shouldn't be afraid of L-2/1. I want to see reactions from people under pressure, and if scum do bumrush a wagon like that near the end, that seems like some prime explode bait to me. I think if it really is just a meme wagon with no substance or scrutiny, sure, avoid that. But the memery has slowed down and there's a lot of actual scumhunting going on, so I'm all for the wagoning.

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Idk why A50's rubs me the wrong way.

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Clemency's offer to put his explode to a vote could be a scum ploy, but it feels genuine to me. Tempted to remove my vote. Also the wagon's gone so there's no pressure anymore, what's the point

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IV's response to charlemagne in actually makes a lot of sense. I like the "spirit vote" thing. Like something with slightly more conviction than a FOS. I still want wagons but could compromise and be okay with FOS-ing at L-2.

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What's with the cow wagon? I iso'd him and it didn't strike me particularly scummy.

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In post 145, Almost50 wrote:
In post 141, innocentvillager wrote:I say 1 more max and the 6th vote is a scumclaim.
In post 143, Clemency wrote:yeah i can live with that
VOTE: cows
VOTE: cows

Just because IV says it'd be a scumclaim! :twisted:
Would scum do this after the whole debate over L-1ing being bad or not? At this point in my catch up this feels like A50 doing exactly what IV warned about, i.e., scum meme-ing their way into a quick hammer.
In post 150, Almost50 wrote:ooh

UNVOTE:
Then this happens. What prompted the unvote? Not much happened between those two quoted posts except Clem unvoting and IV asking someone to unvote. And since Clem did unvote... why did A50?

Oh IV asks the same thing a post later lol. And A50's response is :eyeroll:

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In post 157, innocentvillager wrote:honestly, I’m a little worried that scum haven’t been pushing away from cows really/trying to get him off the hot seat, because he’s been at 3-4 votes for a decent amt of time at this point
Interesting take, not sure I agree though. 3-4 votes seems like it'd be bearable for scum even with the added pressure of the insta-lose. And there's been so much hesitance from several players including yourself to leave people at high L-#s, that the pressure may even be deflating because of it.

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Still not sure what the cows wagon is about as of page 8, in fact his last few posts lean more town than scum imo.

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VOTE: Almost50
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Post Post #201 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:25 pm

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ok here i go trying to feed the numberQ flames. you can read whatever work i did but he's probably only scum with like, enchant + ???

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In post 7, numberQ wrote:Here, have some nuance

VOTE: Clemency
context: clemen voted enchant, asked for a flashwagon to go against nm's wishes for a nuanced game. normally don't care for funny RVS chainsaws but could be worth mentioning given the additional opportunity for a win
In post 19, numberQ wrote:
In post 10, innocentvillager wrote:no flashwagons please

I’m finally town lol
What's wrong with flash wagons? I like them.
likes flashwagons, doesn't participate in one right in front of him. feelsbad (and as silly as it is for me to suggest this, gives points to enchant/numberq?)
In post 21, numberQ wrote:Granted I haven't played this setup before, so idk what strategies are known to be good if any
performative? there's no doubt that mafia talked about strategy before the game started
In post 93, numberQ wrote:
Yknow I actually forgot that scum instantly lose if they're eliminated D1.
I'm trying to understand if there's some balance consideration behind that. I guess the chances of a scum victory drastically decrease if one dies D1, to the point that it just makes more sense to end the game? Or maybe it's just a quirk of the ruleset that N_M thought would be fun, no clue lol
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schadd_ wrote:VOTE: cows love sushi rolls
sweet rvs
would also consider performative but sure i'll get with the shtick right now
there's a post i made earlier that i'm combining with this one
In post 93, numberQ wrote:sweet rvs
i do not understand the point of this statement other than to ask what the vote was for in a roundabout way
feel like this contrasts the 'thoughts-on-your-sleeve' vibe i got from your iso and i'm wondering if it means anything
and i still think it has some sort of truth, the cold demeanor's out of place given that they have both me and schadd at null

like i think number's kinda scummy but the ball of wifom comes into play when you think about what the average scum pt here would have
like i'd imagine it would dive into mechanics/the scum gameplan right away since the game's supposed to be fast paced

number's oblivious to both of these which if he's mafia i'd imagine would only make sense if neither of his partners bothered to talk about it or he's wifoming it up with whatever scumteam
and i think the former's more likely than the latter because it's super ballsy to fake townslip (for lack of a better phrase) twice and not do anything when nobody bites

so the questions if you want to tinfoil are

- who are we looking for?
- are those people that fall under the above scummy?
i'll find that out tomorrow i guess

so yeah, i actually don't have any suspects LOL
but i did think that while making this post that i'm cutting clemency and strangematter too much slack so i think that i start there
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Post Post #202 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:26 pm

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In post 146, innocentvillager wrote:I still don’t get the cows scumreads, but I don’t know if I have him as a guttown rn. I think his response to my first post on page 1 felt towny like a real emotional reaction but idk I guess maybe he decided to fake it.
in that situation i'm not sure why a genuine emotion in response to your post makes me gut townier
is it a general thing?
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Post Post #203 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:28 pm

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In post 180, charlemagne wrote:clemency is slightly +scum because yes in fact you SHOULD have waited until d2 and not doing so was either a mistake or a calculation, and i think it's slightly +rand to be the latter
but cows is more scum and i will keep my vote there for right now
cows response erasure is not okay!!
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Post Post #204 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:34 pm

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(cows does not actually know what the word contempt means)
In post 182, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:if cows flips town i volunteer to be first suicider tomm
o yeah clem wants to do so also, do you have any issues with that?

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Post Post #205 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 6:39 pm

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i mean itll be a race for sure
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Post Post #206 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:02 pm

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VC 1.04
Pavowski (0)-

schadd_ (0)-

T3 (1)-
StrangeMatter
innocentvillager (0)-

charlemagne (0)-

cowsloveSushirolls (3)-
charlemagne, PookyTheMagicalBear, T3
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Enchant, Clemency, Almost50, Pavowski

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Post Post #207 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:13 pm

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In post 181, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lets just get our steak
*Sigh*

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Post Post #208 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:15 pm

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In post 184, Pavowski wrote:Woo I summoned two out of three, that ain't bad
Summoning a demon is MUSH easier than dismissing it though. :P

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Post Post #209 (ISO) » Sun Oct 17, 2021 10:24 pm

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In post 200, numberQ wrote:Idk why A50's #105 rubs me the wrong way.
Oooh! GROSS, dude!

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Post Post #210 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:11 am

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VOTE: cows

The vote on strange makes no sense, and somehow putting Clem and Strange on similar footing here also makes no sense
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Post Post #211 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:55 am

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I agreed with a lot of stuff in 201 so that’s good I guess?
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Post Post #212 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 1:59 am

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In post 210, Pavowski wrote:VOTE: cows

The vote on strange makes no sense, and somehow putting Clem and Strange on similar footing here also makes no sense
he didn’t really explain it at all it was just a throwaway in the last sentence

why not give him the benefit of the doubt and ask?
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Post Post #213 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:01 am

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In post 202, cowsloveSushirolls wrote:
In post 146, innocentvillager wrote:I still don’t get the cows scumreads, but I don’t know if I have him as a guttown rn. I think his response to my first post on page 1 felt towny like a real emotional reaction but idk I guess maybe he decided to fake it.
in that situation i'm not sure why a genuine emotion in response to your post makes me gut townier
is it a general thing?
well it’s directed at town so presumably you only have a emotional reaction to feel inspired/not actually that inspired if you’re town, so if you’re scum you’re faking the reaction

which is totally plausible but feels like unnecessary effort and you feel like someone who posts very SOC-like so I considered it a small townlean
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Post Post #214 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 2:38 am

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In post 207, Almost50 wrote:
In post 181, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:lets just get our steak
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Post Post #215 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:38 am

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pooky I hear you are good at this game what will it take to get you to help us find scum ~

I guess you’re voting cows but you’ve most been memeing like how confident are you in cows scum/why
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Post Post #216 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:43 am

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im not like super confident

but like hes not dead yet and this type of game the scum cant actually sheep
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Post Post #217 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 3:44 am

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i just want to get to the good part
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Post Post #218 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:39 am

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In post 216, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:but like hes not dead yet and this type of game the scum cant actually sheep
can you spell this out for me like I’m 5
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Post Post #219 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:40 am

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are you just saying scum might have already tried to hammer him if he were town and that he easily could’ve gotten there but the resistance is scum!indicative by default

or is there more
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Post Post #220 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:41 am

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what do you make of him briefly getting to E1 with Clem putting him at E2, A50 putting him E1, Clem snap unvoting and A50 snapunvoting

any reads there contingent on cows being town or scum
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Post Post #221 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 4:42 am

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In post 220, innocentvillager wrote:what do you make of him briefly getting to E1 with Clem putting him at E2, A50 putting him E1, Clem snap unvoting and A50 snapunvoting

any reads there contingent on cows being town or scum
if anyone else wants to weigh in please feel free thoughts welcome
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Post Post #222 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 6:33 am

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imagine thinking im counting votes in a meme game
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Post Post #223 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 7:04 am

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In post 210, Pavowski wrote:VOTE: cows

The vote on strange makes no sense, and somehow putting Clem and Strange on similar footing here also makes no sense
it does when you're cows

i think strange is good at towntelling when pressured (would think doubly so in the alt. win condition to the point where i can prob mention it out loud and have nothing change) but i put it in the backburner so i could tie the wagons and see what happens
clem has a set plan on d2 but i don't see people bothering to try and read them today when disregarding that
which is hard because the majority of his logs include that but even i'm reading them lazily this way
what was your read on me before i voted strange?
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Post Post #224 (ISO) » Mon Oct 18, 2021 8:28 am

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Going to put my 10 cents into this but I really don't think its a good idea to put people at L-1 (Isn't it called E-1 though?), especially since pressure should never be based off only votes, rather if you have a question to ask, you should ask it. Although, I don't think I can elaborate any more than that without snapping a rule.
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