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[T3]

your reads don't feel believable
that's the main part of my scumread.

[Save The Dragons]

I need to go back and read things because I have no idea

[House]

Jacket, convince me you're town
I'm like
going to vote you
but convince me you're town

*pops in*

Results?

*pops out*

[Jacket]

Jacket, convince me you're town
I'm like
going to vote you
but convince me you're town

your reads don't feel believable
that's the main part of my scumread.

If I was scum I'd probably just be pushing back on you here, because I doubt you're ever going to turn around on me. I get it. You're upset I pushed on you this game. That doesn't mean I'm scum. Was just looking in the wrong direction all game. It happens. Been trying to find scum. Wrote off Osetr slot for the trolling and have the feeling now I was wrong. Think scum have mostly been in the background being ignored.

What doesn't "feel believable"?

[T3]

Jacket, convince me you're town
I'm like
going to vote you
but convince me you're town

*pops in*

Results?

*pops out*

dwlee no result. I assume scum have a roleblocker.

[T3]

Let's work this out...

Claims so far are:

Gated vig
TA/NF
Bulletproof Neighbor
Neighbor
Informed Townie/Mailman

That's a lot of power against a bulletproof traitor and 2 group scum, ESPECIALLY if both group scum are also PR's which leaves all of the scum vulnerable to the gated vig (at some point, at any rate).

If at least one group scum is goon for vig immunity, the power balance gets even weirder.

There's definitely shenanigans going on in claimed roles.

my guess is the gated vig is actually the traitor, and 1 of the claimed neighbours is group-scum (and the other is maybe bullet-proof)

This is seriously scummy.

This whole thing where cool cookie is insisting we protect a dead-ass useless PR for multiple days makes no sense.

The only proof we have of the existence of a bulletproof traitor is cool cookie's word. In a world where the bulletproof traitor is one of the neighbors with town, that puts them in an automatic CC on day 1. Does that make any sense as good setup design? Because it sounds terrible to me. Mafia would be put in a losing position from the start.

And if the neighbors were both mafia...wouldn't the traitor just claim to the other one?

Neither idea makes much sense to me.

All of this shade on cookie seems ridiculous. You're effectively going into outlandish conspiracies

[Jacket]

Okay? So was cookie, considering they were trying to paint the vig claim as scum. I thought that was super implausible. In my view, cookie was pushing on obvious townies.

I was wrong, sure. It happens. I was tunneled on you, too.

[Jacket]

jacket is like 90% scum

Okay.

I know who I'm snapvoting tomorrow.

yikes

You seem to have taken this as implying I was going to vote you. But that's not the case, I changed my mind on you yesterday, in part because everyone else claimed VT.

[Jacket]

But also, dwlee's preflip association of me and whoever was scummy, and they seem to be playing around you in a way that knows you're town.

Anyway, I felt that day 1, when I was tunneling fua, you had followed my push there in a way that was scummy and opportunistic. You had taken a post that was pretty NAI and went "wow this is scum" or something to that effect. I felt like you were just riding the momentum from other people on their pushes. That was why I thought you were scum, and I assume someone who claims an investigative role when run up day 1 is usually scum. I was probably wrong. It happens.

If you're town, sorry for tunneling you for two game days. I don't think that's a

good

reason to vote me, but I'm biased.

[T3]

Okay? So was cookie, considering they were trying to paint the vig claim as scum. I thought that was super implausible. In my view, cookie was pushing on obvious townies.

I was wrong, sure. It happens. I was tunneled on you, too.

Hmm, fair.

[House]

So, here's where I am...

Town
T3 - I believe the claim, absent a cc. A bulletproof neighbor, informed mailman, & gated vig that gives imperfect information does not seem to be enough power against a scum roleblocker, bulletproof traitor, and Anubis only knows what else.
Dwlee99 - I can't go into details on this read, but I have experience with both town & scum dwlee and this is looking like town dwlee.
Jacket - dude just oozes town. He's actively solving, and his reads organically evolve.

Scum
Save The Dragons
HawaiianPizza
TheZenMan - Probably traitor? But honestly my preferred lim because this is the strongest red read I have. The others are PoE. I just can't accept 2 town having identical roles. Years of playing Mafia across multiple sites & f2f, this has never happened. Fucking shenanigans.

[House]

If redtea had not been gated, there would be room to doubt T3, but his modifier gives him too much negative utility for town not to have another way to investigate.

[House]

If redtea had been Disloyal vig, I'd be demanding T3's head on a platter.

[House]

If redtea had been Disloyal vig, I'd be demanding T3's head on a platter.

Fix't

[Jacket]

Was yesterday really enough to get me to go from scum to town for you?

[House]

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

like, I'm very collaborative. Unless I'm dead-fucking-sure I'm right, I listen to what town suggests, and especially in this situation. If people don't recommend using it for now, that's fine. I think that's the way to go based on what info we have now too.

in which case, you become effectively vanilla. so why not elim you?

true. Does that point two 2 mafia prs then not counting the traitor, assuming the mod didn't have some odd idea then? And assuming I'm town ofc.

The fact you're gated and the traitor is immune is what makes me think the scum team has one PR & one goon, if your claim is real.

Quasi-investigatives typically have false positives/negatives.

ah yeah, that reminds me, the traitor is NK immune + gated (no specifics given beyond that). forgot to say that as i didn't really think it mattered, but perhaps it would be helpful when the traitor was trying to fashion a fakeclaim to also gate themselves.

If the traitor's modifier is 1-shot, I can see Zen true-claiming his role to Almost in the hood.

That's the world that makes the most sense to me, here.

[House]

Was yesterday really enough to get me to go from scum to town for you?

Yes.

I really did take your point about town'ability to be dreadfully wrong on board, as I noted in 1825.

My hands aren't clean, either. I had a hand in A50's elimination.

My hypocrisy came home to me.

That's why I got off your back yesterday.

[House]

Was yesterday really enough to get me to go from scum to town for you?

Yes.

I really did take your point about town's ability to be dreadfully wrong on board, as I noted in 1825.

My hands aren't clean, either. I had a hand in A50's elimination.

My hypocrisy came home to me.

That's why I got off your back yesterday.

Fix't. Geez.

[Dwlee99]

So, here's where I am...

Town
T3 - I believe the claim, absent a cc. A bulletproof neighbor, informed mailman, & gated vig that gives imperfect information does not seem to be enough power against a scum roleblocker, bulletproof traitor, and Anubis only knows what else.
Dwlee99 - I can't go into details on this read, but I have experience with both town & scum dwlee and this is looking like town dwlee.
Jacket - dude just oozes town. He's actively solving, and his reads organically evolve.

Scum
Save The Dragons
HawaiianPizza
TheZenMan - Probably traitor? But honestly my preferred lim because this is the strongest red read I have. The others are PoE. I just can't accept 2 town having identical roles. Years of playing Mafia across multiple sites & f2f, this has never happened. Fucking shenanigans.

Do you think t3 and I are just super wrong then?

[House]

So, here's where I am...

Town
T3 - I believe the claim, absent a cc. A bulletproof neighbor, informed mailman, & gated vig that gives imperfect information does not seem to be enough power against a scum roleblocker, bulletproof traitor, and Anubis only knows what else.
Dwlee99 - I can't go into details on this read, but I have experience with both town & scum dwlee and this is looking like town dwlee.
Jacket - dude just oozes town. He's actively solving, and his reads organically evolve.

Scum
Save The Dragons
HawaiianPizza
TheZenMan - Probably traitor? But honestly my preferred lim because this is the strongest red read I have. The others are PoE. I just can't accept 2 town having identical roles. Years of playing Mafia across multiple sites & f2f, this has never happened. Fucking shenanigans.

Do you think t3 and I are just super wrong then?

Either you 2 are, or I am.

Obviously.

Just curious, what answer did you expect, here?

[Dwlee99]

But like why

I have a good ELO accuracy historically

Although I'm gonna do a reeval so we should see but

[House]

But like why

I have a good ELO accuracy historically

Although I'm gonna do a reeval so we should see but

Well, unless I'm wrong on you, T3, or Jacket, I have to be right.

My strongest reads are T3 (via role claim) and Jacket (strong town play, overall).

You haven't been amazingly productive here, outside of being on the right side of the A50 wagon. My read of you is mainly based on meta.

Am I wrong?

[Dwlee99]

Meta bad but in this case meta good

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