Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[cool cookie]

i dont think the worst has broken any rules yet. lots of active posting here and people who know each other, but how well do they know each other.

[numberQ]

I'm not reading his posts

@Moderator please check if this is allowed under site rules

It's not explicitly mentioned anywhere in the rules, except maybe a broad reading of the flaming/general civility clause in my game's ruleset. If you start feeling personally attacked beyond the reasonable amount implied in a Mafia game, please let me know.

And @the worst, this is a game of Mafia, so it does require

some

amount of reading of other players' posts. Though there's no rule strictly enforcing it of course.

I hope this interaction between PookyTheMagicalBear and the worst has been in good faith and/or in a joking manner, especially based on some of their reactions to it. But as the mod I want to err on the side of serious for things like this, particularly when I'm directly asked a question about it. No warnings or mod action will be taken at this point.

Trust Count (1.2)

cool cookie

[0]

Enchant

[0]

Infinity 324

[0]

Klick

[0]

MafMen

[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0]

Prism

[0]

Tammy

[0]

the worst

[0]

Wisdom

[0]

Distrustful:

Everyone

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-02 13:46:46)

[MafMen]

So how do you get townreads in this game

pray

[the worst]

wait, Pooky is in this game?

I've made a couple of posts clearly referencing the content of Pooky's posts so this is definitely a bit. I'm happy to drop the bit (though I think Pooky may have also been joking but I'm unsure).

[the worst]

regardless of siterules not reading someone's posts is kinda shitty and against the spirit of the rules.

except in this case bc I'm not reading pooky's posts

[Tammy]

This playerlist is insane

Tammy, how do you think you'd be approaching the start of this right now if you were scum, that you're not doing now (if anything)?

I thought you were prism. I'm going to get you guys confused fair warning. I don't think I've seen you in forever!

Hmmm. I'm not sure. One thing that used to get me caught is not seeming appropriately happy to draw town, so I started trying to fake that happiness and energy at the start. I might do that? I don't know. There's nobody here that has that beginning of the game meta for me, so I probably wouldn't? I might make a few more posts that look appropriately solvey in some fashion? Just because my strength as scum is only as good as how long I can go without getting widespread suspicion. I'm not all that great at shaking off suspicion once it starts if it starts early unless I know specifically how to manipulate the person who suspects me.

I don't know if that makes sense. So I might have used a couple of those things, but not sure if I would have.

[Tammy]

I think everyone involved knows you guys are joking

[MafMen]

If I trust scum will they just quicktrust me and exit

locktown
i thought the same thing too when the game started lmao and my rolecard is green

[Tammy]

the lesson i learned from the last run of this is that even if i get perfect reads people will just ignore me and throw so im not going to give a shit about catching bad guys this time and just focus on convincing tammy that i am very town :2

haven't read the quoted ydr but based on context clues, I feel like I should say hard pocketing one person into mid/lategame was literally Pooky's plan as scum in this setup previously

but then again (based on context clues) this is too overt and funny to actually be a strong indicator of that agenda. I think? someone tell me if I'm right I'm just guessing here

Oh in case this was towards me at all. I've seen Pooky scum a couple times. I know how pockety, sly and charismatic he can be.

[the worst]

hey guys im a bit rusty what does it mean when your rolecard is red again

it means that

it's lovely to see you again

Oh no it's MafMen

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[MafMen]

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

I think I just accidentally cleared wisdom while goofing around go me

dont get me wrong hes townie asf but maybe lets not do that lmao

[the worst]

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

I think I just accidentally cleared wisdom while goofing around go me

dont get me wrong hes townie asf but maybe lets not do that lmao

sincerely: I didn't read the vote mechanics in full and assumed it required the usual bolded "I trust <<name>>" I'm normally a lot more careful but I'll take a cleared wisdom any day

[MafMen]

Also this is a tricky in another way

Do I wanna townread someone and exit with them or stay and catch scum

more townie posts from wisdom

[the worst]

Oh in case this was towards me at all. I've seen Pooky scum a couple times. I know how pockety, sly and charismatic he can be.

Awesome, that was basically the extent of my worry. Admittedly I don't really think you're someone who's a viable late game pocket so more just a comment at the thread

[MafMen]

Also this is a tricky in another way

Do I wanna townread someone and exit with them or stay and catch scum

I'll be obvtown in like ~48 hours and would suggest we combine our powers and roast the scums

youre always obvtown even as scum
help me out here
whats your role

[MafMen]

'the worst' initial scumping for claiming to not know the rules on page 3, when they had been referenced a couple times already by that point - potentially tricking someone into an early OMGUS trust thing. and also repeated claims Enchant is town, with no reason given.

ew

no

[the worst]

whispers

day 5 innocent child

[MafMen]

Can someone gimme an update on pooky's posts? Is he towny yet?

[MafMen]

I say we just make Pooky's day by leave him and Tammy as f2

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[MafMen]

Anyway, I figured I'd see how things played out and started and figure out how to play it from there.

I'm really curious about this. Maybe you're having fun horsing around with Pooky but there isn't really a solve intent.

If I were scum, you don't know how much I would appreciate this. Your presence in games is enjoyable, even when you're a murderer, but here as scum I wouldn't have the sweet release of an early elimination when I made myself obvious. I'd just have to sit around waiting til the end. So, yeah the company would be nice.

I am town though!

This makes my head tilt a bit, too, because while you don't prefer scum your scumgame is not weak.

I'm not solving right now. I'm not really one to attempt to solve in the first few pages of the game. I don't like to do it, nor am I good at it. I typically think most people look scummy in the first few pages of the game because I can't tell the difference between people pretending to solve and people trying to get the game started. Unless something really jumps out at me, like your entrance in Warehouse 13, I pretty much view everything early game as neutral noise that I'll look back at later when I actually get serious. I used to try because I thought I needed to be aggressive to be town read, but I hated it, so now I play in a way that I enjoy and is comfortable for me.

I get that it can be annoying and I look scummy for it to people who aren't used to my early approach (and even some who are used to it), but once I get started that concern usually goes away. Usually.

I'm also working and just popping in here to shoot the shit every few minutes or so as a little break.

Thank you for thinking my scum game isn't weak. I will admit that I think my scum game is weaker than others do, but other than the flying scumsman which I hydra'd in last year, I have not drawn scum in 4? years? While I think I have a terrible scum game in general, I do not expect my first time drawing scum solo in four years to be anything but me obvscumming immediately and being able to do nothing about it.

Was I right in remembering that you preferred to go out first in most scum teams? What would be different about this game than that? (Or was that the joke you were referring to?)

always love it when someone who was just joking around 5 minutes ago jumps to writing a paragraph whenever someone gets an inkling of suspicion

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the lesson i learned from the last run of this is that even if i get perfect reads people will just ignore me and throw so im not going to give a shit about catching bad guys this time and just focus on convincing tammy that i am very town :2

haven't read the quoted ydr but based on context clues, I feel like I should say hard pocketing one person into mid/lategame was literally Pooky's plan as scum in this setup previously

but then again (based on context clues) this is too overt and funny to actually be a strong indicator of that agenda. I think? someone tell me if I'm right I'm just guessing here

w i l d

so duckie saw me trying to get moderator confirmation of whether he was reading my posts in order to point out he was not pattern recognizing the exact playstyle replication from the time i played this as scum vs him so he pre-empted me by now saying I'm literally replicating my scum meta while denying he's actually reading my posting.

some top tier moves by duckie.

[MafMen]

hey guys im a bit rusty what does it mean when your rolecard is red again

it means that it's lovely to see you again

<3

[MafMen]

hey guys im a bit rusty what does it mean when your rolecard is red again

it means that

it's lovely to see you again

Oh no it's MafMen

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[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I feel like I'm having deja vu from the first time I played this except I'm town this time


do you know what I mean @MafMen

[Tammy]

always love it when someone who was just joking around 5 minutes ago jumps to writing a paragraph whenever someone gets an inkling of suspicion

?

Do you have a problem with me answering a couple questions or that I'm wordy?