Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[the worst]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

tammy if there's one thing i've learned about trust fall games it's that if a nub wants to fall for a scum player there's almost no way to convince them not to game throw

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

he could've not read the rules about voting who knows

[Tammy]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

He did, but did he see your post for sure? And did he know that it counted for sure?

No way am I writing wisdom off as town off of that.

But I actually don't have any town reads right now, so I'm just going to poo poo the lot of you.

[the worst]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

he could've not read the rules about voting who knows

i think that would be town indicative as well, lol.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thats funny i can't remember if i read the rules when I was mafia in this game

[the worst]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

He did, but did he see your post for sure? And did he know that it counted for sure?

No way am I writing wisdom off as town off of that.

But I actually don't have any town reads right now, so I'm just going to poo poo the lot of you.

just for clarity

Okay, so trust thingy cannot be used as a thing to stir up content or pressure

Do you guys wanna use pseudovotes or something

they caaaaan
it just ends badly

I'm down for pseudovotes

VOTE: wisdom

~45 seconds

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

~20 seconds

Dunno feels a bit harder to get reads without some form of pressure

For example my favorite way of reading is to deathtunnel which now I can't do

~45 seconds

UNVOTE:

wisdom was almost certainly pedited by Enchant pointing out that votes meant trust, and would still have had time to vote me back before my lazy phoneposting self got back

[Tammy]

Hey worst - what did you like about prism's early scum lean?

[the worst]

i agree i'm pumping up the probability, but in lieu of better reads? i think it's really goofy that you two aren't

[the worst]

Hey worst - what did you like about prism's early scum lean?

it made me feel bad about my posting in the heat of the moment. something about it felt earnest in real-time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

wisdom was almost certainly pedited by Enchant pointing out that votes meant trust, and would still have had time to vote me back before my lazy phoneposting self got back

why would wisdom know to trust enchant's interpretation of the rules?

[MafMen]

you guys are definitely being too hard on wisdom here
an 'easy pass'? cmon

[Prism]

Why not?

petapan isn't here so I can't own him

I was just wondering because I thought you preferred going out first?

I missed this. On EM I would get policied virtually every game barring mechanical clears. This doesn't happen on MS, and my mindset has shifted accordingly. I like to trade myself for two+ miselims, and I'd love to showcase that style in games sometime, though.

[Tammy]

I think you guys are weird and giving both wisdom and prism too easy of a pass there.

wisdom did post after being trusted

He did, but did he see your post for sure? And did he know that it counted for sure?

No way am I writing wisdom off as town off of that.

But I actually don't have any town reads right now, so I'm just going to poo poo the lot of you.

just for clarity

Okay, so trust thingy cannot be used as a thing to stir up content or pressure

Do you guys wanna use pseudovotes or something

they caaaaan
it just ends badly

I'm down for pseudovotes

VOTE: wisdom

~45 seconds

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

~20 seconds

Dunno feels a bit harder to get reads without some form of pressure

For example my favorite way of reading is to deathtunnel which now I can't do

~45 seconds

UNVOTE:

wisdom was almost certainly pedited by Enchant pointing out that votes meant trust, and would still have had time to vote me back before my lazy phoneposting self got back

Yeah I was watching it in real time. I'm still not going to write wisdom off as town for that.

I've been bit in the ass too many times for writing people off as town off things like that, and I'm not going to do that this game.

[Prism]

See you responded Tammy, have a call in 10 minutes so the rest of the catchup will have to wait a few hours sorry.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like you're assuming wisdom as scum would know to trust Enchant's rule interpretation as gospel and also know to press the eject button immediately inside a minute.

when it probably takes him more time than that to check the rules for himself to make sure enchant isn't bullshitting him, make a decision on what he wants to actually do, and there's also the fact that we signed up to play a game in the first place?

[Prism]

I actually did get to show that style of play off a bit in my last Mini Normal with Pooky, but sadly did not get a chance to carry it through.

[the worst]

i'm like the king of declaring people cleared then changing my mind 30 seconds later and i still don't feel bad for treating wisdom as town until he makes me second guess myself.

this convo doesn't feel very productive

[Tammy]

you guys are definitely being too hard on wisdom here
an 'easy pass'? cmon

*shrug*

Now do I think Wisdom, who I think could figure out how to get town reads without voting or death tunneling, would come out with something hokey like "how do I get town reads without voting?" as scum. Maybe not, even joking. But I don't trust that interpretation of mine either.

But I respect his scum game too much to just write him off for not trusting when he could have. He could have either not trusted the rule would be in effect and didn't want to risk it or thought that doing it was too risky.

[Tammy]

See you responded Tammy, have a call in 10 minutes so the rest of the catchup will have to wait a few hours sorry.

I've just spent five hours grading. I'm about to take a break from the computer and get some dinner anyway. See you later.

[Tammy]

i'm like the king of declaring people cleared then changing my mind 30 seconds later and i still don't feel bad for treating wisdom as town until he makes me second guess myself.

this convo doesn't feel very productive

That's fine! I change my mind a lot too, but why wouldn't getting people to talk about the reasoning for their reads and trying to determine if they're real or bs be productive?

[MafMen]

ftr i was stonewallng you in hopes youd implode as you seemed to be heading in that direction
a bit mean but eh

i just dont like the huge switch in attitude you had, especially when it comes as a response to a post calling out your urge to solve, simple as that
comes across disingenuous asf

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've literally never misread Wisdom or Prism in my life

[the worst]

i'm like the king of declaring people cleared then changing my mind 30 seconds later and i still don't feel bad for treating wisdom as town until he makes me second guess myself.

this convo doesn't feel very productive

That's fine! I change my mind a lot too, but why wouldn't getting people to talk about the reasoning for their reads and trying to determine if they're real or bs be productive?

i'm not really sure if there's any way for me to meaningfully evaluate my reads off this convo
has it helped you read me at all?

[MafMen]

you guys are definitely being too hard on wisdom here
an 'easy pass'? cmon

*shrug*

Now do I think Wisdom, who I think could figure out how to get town reads without voting or death tunneling, would come out with something hokey like "how do I get town reads without voting?" as scum. Maybe not, even joking. But I don't trust that interpretation of mine either.

But I respect his scum game too much to just write him off for not trusting when he could have. He could have either not trusted the rule would be in effect and didn't want to risk it or thought that doing it was too risky.

i think the innocence can be trusted here
if his scum game is that powerful maybe you should be wary but i always tend to give the benefit of the doubt to these kinds of players