Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[MafMen]

like pooky said scum has no reason to discredit other people in this type of gamemode

I dont agree with that, scum do want townies to be scumread because theyll just get poe'd out otherwise
Plus if they want to be townread they need to do town things, and trying to catch scum is one of them
So Klick "scumreading" Tammy achieves both attempting to lower Tammy's towncred and making Klick look like he's scumhunting

scums drive to discredit people is initially to get them mislimmed
that is not present here
town does poe through nks and lims
that is not present here

[Wisdom]

Then how do I have a poe of four without nks and lims

[MafMen]

Then how do I have a poe of four without nks and lims

the difference between your scumpool and your townpool can easily be separated by activity

[MafMen]

ill have to make a clarification

town

accurately

poes with nks and lims

[MafMen]

for the record i dont townread klick, just saying that in case any misconceptions arise
i just think the read isnt fair

[Wisdom]

So basically youre discrediting my reads and dodging the point, got it

[MafMen]

So basically youre discrediting my reads and dodging the point, got it

if thats what you took from what i said then this was a waste of time rofl

[Wisdom]

Like the point is that Klick has scum motivation to make that push, whether there are lims and nks in the game or not

The rest is irrelevant

[MafMen]

Like the point is that Klick has scum motivation to make that push, whether there are lims and nks in the game or not

The rest is irrelevant

they really dont, and its not 'dodging the point' to disagree with you
im gonna stop before this goes in circles lol

[the worst]

I'm gonna trust wisdom again just to prove a point

[Wisdom]

I outlined what the scum motivation is and you said nothing about it, instead you argued generics about whether the game has lims or not

so yeah

[the worst]

like pooky said scum has no reason to discredit other people in this type of gamemode

I dont agree with that, scum do want townies to be scumread because theyll just get poe'd out otherwise
Plus if they want to be townread they need to do town things, and trying to catch scum is one of them
So Klick "scumreading" Tammy achieves both attempting to lower Tammy's towncred and making Klick look like he's scumhunting

it's also a take on a fairly active player who is like, already not widely townread (= at least slightly contentious = he's more likely to find someone willing to lend an ear.

Tammy does feel like a fairly natural place for scum to start to pick things apart

[the worst]

I think fairly few scum players approach this game in a way that's like tremendously different from how they approach a normal scumgame

sorry if this doesn't assume much of the random person

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok so what Tammy was doing to Duckie.

Was a player trying to get rid of a "softclear" on another player.

This is not the same thing.

As a player trying to "discredit" or scumread a player.

Saying that "Reason A" is a bad reason to townread someone because ____

is not the same thing

as saying "I think ____ is mafia because of ????"

[Wisdom]

I think fairly few scum players approach this game in a way that's like tremendously different from how they approach a normal scumgame

sorry if this doesn't assume much of the random person

Agreed, Id def play this like a normal scumgame in that Id try and emulate how town-me would see it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

actually that's wholly inaccurate since we were talking about Tammy's approach to Wisdom and I just brainfarted.

I don't think Tammy was scum-reading Wisdom

She simply did not like him being "soft-cleared" for reasons she expressed doubt in.

That's not the same as discrediting/scumreading someone.

[Wisdom]

You double-brainfarted, the discredit thing is about Klick's actions in regards to Tammy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If you think of the game as a ladder of influence.

Scum do not want to be in the bottom 4 slots.

The way they typically do that is to figure out who is "pullable" on townside and try to drag them into the bottom 4 with them.

Targetting someone on the top of the ladder like Wisdom who is getting soft-cleared by Duckie for "blah reasons" is not good strategy because at best you pull them to mid-tier and if duckie ignores you and trusts Wisdom its like you just wasted a bunch of energy making an enemy of someone who is now at the top of the ladder.

[the worst]

I think fairly few scum players approach this game in a way that's like tremendously different from how they approach a normal scumgame

sorry if this doesn't assume much of the random person

Agreed, Id def play this like a normal scumgame in that Id try and emulate how town-me would see it

yeah for sure. the wincon is different but I think it's pretty hard to actually pivot your plan to charge that wincon rather than just, playing a scumgame

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

You double-brainfarted, the discredit thing is about Klick's actions in regards to Tammy

ok but he was using my point about scum strategy to explain to you why scum don't discredit and I'm trying to explain to him why that point doesn't apply to what Klick is doing to Tammy.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yeah for sure. the wincon is different but I think it's pretty hard to actually pivot your plan to charge that wincon rather than just, playing a scumgame

I think the wincon is actually way easier than the standard scum win con.

usually when you pocket one person in a game you don't like win off that.(since theres like lots of other people who can vote your ass off)

You still have to maintain the pocket over multiple mis elims and keep the person nice and happy and not questioning why they aren't dead etc.

[Wisdom]

You double-brainfarted, the discredit thing is about Klick's actions in regards to Tammy

ok but he was using my point about scum strategy to explain to you why scum don't discredit and I'm trying to explain to him why that point doesn't apply to what Klick is doing to Tammy.

no you explained why it doesnt apply in Tammy doing it to me

[MafMen]

I outlined what the scum motivation is and you said nothing about it, instead you argued generics about whether the game has lims or not

so yeah

your exact words were that klick hypothetically achieves lowering tammy's towncred and making klick look like theyre scumhunting
i say its unfair to make that judgement as there is realistically zero scum motivation and/or equal scum motivation as town behind klicks read

go ahead and scumread klick but im going to call out wrong reasons when i feel i see it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Mafmen

do you think its realistic for Klick to worry about Tammy getting to leave

[MafMen]

like pooky said scum has no reason to discredit other people in this type of gamemode

I dont agree with that, scum do want townies to be scumread because theyll just get poe'd out otherwise
Plus if they want to be townread they need to do town things, and trying to catch scum is one of them
So Klick "scumreading" Tammy achieves both attempting to lower Tammy's towncred and making Klick look like he's scumhunting

it's also a take on a fairly active player who is like, already not widely townread (= at least slightly contentious = he's more likely to find someone willing to lend an ear.

Tammy does feel like a fairly natural place for scum to start to pick things apart

i disagree
tammy is not the chink in our armor