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[Iconeum]

I am a day cop, Dwlee is a checked mafia goon.

VOTE: wiki

you can go now

[Datisi]

one townread, can i have one townread pls

are you not townreading me?

if not, why did you give up on the pressure? town!tisi *knows* he can corner and punish scum!ico, so if you don't townread me.... yeah

hiii ico
give me a reason you townread wiki that isn't "he's too wack to be scum"

to answer the quoted
in part because you weren't falling for fake pressure and wouldn't trip up the same way so it's pointless to fakescumread you again
in part because i did think your response was somewhat +town
in part because i wanted to see what you did if i let you off easy

so why did you say you wanna townread me if you were pinged by what andres said earlier?

pedit: this post is already outdated but answer the q anyway pls

[Iconeum]

So you are agree, that you are Mafia goon. You see the problem only in the mechanics of my role. That means that you are mafia and your reaction on my claim is too bad. Easy first scum.

ehhhhhhh maybe not scum? i don't see why scum would choose to suicide on this hill tbh

[Iconeum]

annoyed town? who am i to judge :p

[Iconeum]

VOTE: selynee

yeah

[Selynee]

OK. I see.

1) Well, I give Datisi this, some players just feel my questions are "aimless". Obviously, that's not how I see them. Page 6 as basically me trying to get someone's thoughts in a post, easy to understand. That I didn't hurry up and get "reads" from it is part two- like I didn't like really liked their response to my questions (especially Wiki's) but later in-game I start to like him more due to the fact he seems fairly into scumhunting...as much as I disagree with his theories.

2) Really, need to explain that again? See 253. If I wanted to push the idea there is scum between Dwelee and Wiki, I would have said I think one of them is town and one is scum.

Why did you expect someone else to make a case here? Why didn't you bring this up or vote me before someone else did?

VOTE: Three

Because I saw what looked like a good point and I didn't like your response to it. Why do you think it's odd that other players can be convinced by another player's reads?

Is this a strictly OMGUS vote or do you actually scum read me for believing two other players' reads?

Oh, don't bring the whole OMGUS thing. Nope, is cuz you didn't say anything to me directly. You waited for two other persons to make a case. I flip town, you have the perfect excuse "Oh, I was just following what these people said". Plus the argument about me saying there is scum between Dwelee and Wiki was so baseless it could be seen from an airplane.

You seem to be fishing for a reason to SR someone and placate Datisi.

Before you got into this argument with Three, your posts basically said nothing. You didn’t really hint at anyone’s alignment except to suggest that Wiki’s “scumhunting” had switched your mind about them. I’ll make a prediction, see if it pans out. Wiki is not going to get NK’ed this game. They will either get executed, or Endgamed. If I had to guess, it’ll be a mis-execution. Other than that, you were particularly wishy washy about DW/Wiki. I am not sure I know exactly whether you think they’re both Town or not. You’ve said they could be, or maybe if one flips Scum the other is Town, but that’s really not particularly helpful. And then after that you’re accusing Three of being Scum because they’re hiding behind two other people’s reads of your slot? But hold on - you’ve already conceded that Datisi’s perception of your questions is not an uncommon reaction. So then the read has some basis in reality, but is just wrong? How does that make Three Scum?

@Three, OMGUS doesn’t say shit about someone’s alignment btw. Town sometimes just get frustrated and vote back thinking they’re being attacked by Scum. But I do SR Selynee’s timidity and somewhat narrow focus on your slot.

Yeah. But the fact is that I was here the whole time. Three didn't mention me at all before someone else made a case. Two people he wasn't even townreading might I add. Actually, he was basically on Wiki was playing badly just before that. Than he jumps all over a stupid argument. "Oh, yes, I was convinced".
Also, that's not OMGUS. As I said, not his arguments.

[Selynee]

So you are agree, that you are Mafia goon. You see the problem only in the mechanics of my role. That means that you are mafia and your reaction on my claim is too bad. Easy first scum.

ehhhhhhh maybe not scum? i don't see why scum would choose to suicide on this hill tbh

Nope, my guess is bad reaction test. And this usually comes from town.

[ChaosOmega]

Votecount 1.03

Selynee (4) - Almost50, Three, Datisi, Iconeum
IOnlyAskWhy (2) - Dorsey, Gamma Emerald
Wiki (2) - T3, Dwlee99
Dwlee99 (2) - geraintm, Wiki
Three (1) - Selynee
Datisi (1) - Andresvmb

Not Voting (1) - IOnlyAskWhy

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate someone.

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-10-31 06:52:46)

[Selynee]

Oh, and the reason I didn't say if Dwelee is town here? Cuz I'm not sure

149

Well, I didn't see much "justify" vote there. Wiki was weird and easily to SR at that point, but still don't see the "justify" vote there

226

And all related to Gera. OK, most probably objectively true here: Gera and them are friends outside the game, doesn't mean they can read them better (sometimes a cigar is just a cigar, Wiki), only two posts. But cuz these are all objectively true, can come from both mafia or town

236

OK, changes his reads quickly. NAI. Don't see much mafia motivation to give three town reads when most of the list didn't.

316

Actually, I don't see the reason to vote Wiki here when this whole thing is most likely a bad reaction test.

So, with my very limited experience, that's all I see...and lots of meta I'm not privy to. Nothing to make me "he is town" but not much to seriously SR him.

Now, what do you see?

[Almost50]

I can say easily that I'll explain later if it is not ok to discuss it now.
Btw, Andre said that he will explain later why he scumreads A50. So what? You are interested only in case about you?

Btw I did heavily hint at my reasoning around my read of A50.

I am willing to strike you with a

very good

deal here: You drop your silly DR on me and I do NOT clear you, so you can be mislimmed at any later point as you wish. *Smirk*

[Datisi]

Town:
Daitsi, Ico, Gamma, Three, Andre/A50

i can see the others, but mind explaining the a50 townread? i think so far you only said you like that he talks easy, but uh, my experience with a50 tells me that's not a very good indicator of his alignment. (also, that's not my name >_>)

@three

, when you said there was a good point being raised against sel, whose point were you actually referring to? wiki and i brought up different things.

1) Well, I give Datisi this, some players just feel my questions are "aimless". Obviously, that's not how I see them. Page 6 as basically me trying to get someone's thoughts in a post, easy to understand. That I didn't hurry up and get "reads" from it is part two- like I didn't like really liked their response to my questions (especially Wiki's) but later in-game I start to like him more due to the fact he seems fairly into scumhunting...as much as I disagree with his theories.

i'm no stranger to sometimes having questions others think of aimless, though i still like to call it out because i do think it's slightly +scum. however, my later post against you was because it didn't seem like you were *progressing* in reads and were feeling fairly... reactionary? i guess? in a way that seemed like attempting to fake just enough content to skate by. and like, now you're saying you had thoughts about wiki, but you didn't actually give any of those opinions earlier, you just rebutted 235 without actually providing anything.

[edited later to add: i see you actually *did* say you liked wiki in 168, so my bad there, but i don't think this fully negates my point, as it was just one pretty naked read.]

my eyes are glazing over trying to read Datisi's posts so I'm going to ignore him for now

or how about you actually read the posts that the person you apparently have ~bad vibes~ from is writing?

ok please don't quote full wallposts to respond to just one line, highlight+quote is your friend
also i feel like we have enough history by now that you should be able to say something about why a post of mine caught your eye or something?

Because I saw what looked like a good point and I didn't like your response to it.

please don't tell me the "sel said there's scum between these two people" is the Good Point you were referring to earlier.

[Datisi]

the more i'm reading, the less i'm liking the argument between sel and three. mainly what i mean, sel is still feeling scummy to me, but something feels off about three pushing her there? i dunno. like piggybacking off of wiki's posts (which was frankly Bad) and 297 feels icky to me. like i think it's pretty natural here for someone to go "you're scum sheeping wrong!town onto me so you can hide behind them once i flip", and three is trying to twist that into some sorta scum!indicative thinking of her own possible future elimination.

three, how much mafia experience do you have?

coincidentally, wiki/dwlee is feeling more and more like t/t. dwlee still feels town to me and i don't understand any of the posts there. and if you asked me to point out a post from wiki that i townread, i would not be able to, but somehow the whole vibe around his slot just feels...? like general weird-town.

Wiki are you an NPOM alt?

this made me laugh

also andres where you at

[Datisi]

VOTE: dwlee

this could easily be a scum piling vote. There were a few votes on dwlee for whatever reasons, and this just… does nothing.

if i recall my games with town!gera correctly, he usually like, does, *something* early on. i don't remember him just naked voting then noping the fuck out of games. granted, i know he usually doesn't do a lot, but eh, this still feels uncharacteristic.

also where the fuck are you

[Datisi]

@sel, what's the point of 358? did someone ask your thoughts on dwlee and i missed it?

[Iconeum]

VOTE: dwlee

this could easily be a scum piling vote. There were a few votes on dwlee for whatever reasons, and this just… does nothing.

if i recall my games with town!gera correctly, he usually like, does, *something* early on. i don't remember him just naked voting then noping the fuck out of games. granted, i know he usually doesn't do a lot, but eh, this still feels uncharacteristic.

also where the fuck are you

the fuck you going on about? i did my catchup, and there hasn't been anyone online to chat with all day...

[Datisi]

351 is a post that exists

[Iconeum]

tbh i haven't been around all day either, and i don't expect to have my pre-break online hours back entirely for the foreseeable future so yeah

[Iconeum]

351 is a post that exists

i did in fact miss this...

[Iconeum]

give me a reason you townread wiki that isn't "he's too wack to be scum"

'why would scum!wiki be going up against town!dwlee and dying on a hill that gains him ??' is my main thought process i guess

the answer is either s/s, which i find incredibly unlikely, or he's… just town

[Datisi]

okay, that *makes sense*

now can you acknowledge the second half of that post

[Iconeum]

one townread, can i have one townread pls

are you not townreading me?

if not, why did you give up on the pressure? town!tisi *knows* he can corner and punish scum!ico, so if you don't townread me.... yeah

hiii ico
give me a reason you townread wiki that isn't "he's too wack to be scum"

to answer the quoted
in part because you weren't falling for fake pressure and wouldn't trip up the same way so it's pointless to fakescumread you again
in part because i did think your response was somewhat +town

in part because i wanted to see what you did if i let you off easy

so why did you say you wanna townread me if you were pinged by what andres said earlier?

pedit: this post is already outdated but answer the q anyway pls

the second part is fine but like... it doesn't really make me wanna do much? i guess?
i smiled and went 'yeah i buy that' at the bolded part

and tbh i don't even remember the part about andres and i haven't bothered checking back so

[Selynee]

Andre said I'm washy about DW vs Wiki. Well, as I said, maybe because I don't have a clear view on Dwelee. And I'd also like to see Andre's thoughts on this slot.

[Datisi]

and tbh i don't even remember the part about andres and i haven't bothered checking back so

p sure it was about me "letting you off easy" or something along those lines

like i think you quoted him and said that it pinged you as well, then later on commented a similar thought
but you also said you *wanted* to townread me

so i don't get your thoughts there >_>

[T3]

So am I mafia?

Claiming daycop usually comes from VT, just from the extensive fakeclaiming of daycop I've seen on MU.

[T3]

@Three, OMGUS doesn’t say shit about someone’s alignment btw. Town sometimes just get frustrated and vote back thinking they’re being attacked by Scum. But I do SR Selynee’s timidity and somewhat narrow focus on your slot.

I don't disagree. The OMGUS doesn't mean as much to me as the rest of her post IMO. It reads like she's trying to scare me off her wagon by acting like she was on the verge of being flipped when she wasn't anywhere close to it. The fact that she's already worried about getting eliminated suggests self-conscious scum to me, like she's mad that she's already been caught over something small and trivial.

If she's genuinely frustrated town, she needs to deal with the people casing her, not attack people who are convinced by those casing her.

this post feels like it's made in bad faith