Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[numberQ]

Trust Count (1.5)

cool cookie

[0]

Enchant

[0]

Infinity 324

[0]

Klick

[0]

MafMen

[0]

PookyTheMagicalBear

[0]

Prism

[0]

Tammy

[0]

the worst

[0]

Wisdom

[0]

Distrustful:

Everyone

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-11-02 13:46:46)

[Infinity 324]

ducky's charisma is too infectious, i have no choice but to townread him

[Klick]

mmmmmm

what was this

It felt like an indirect rebuttal to me calling ducky obvtown in 147

[Infinity 324]

How do you match that with her answer to my question about what she'd be doing differently here if she were scum?

honestly it doesn't really match, but it's still towny to me

like town would be biased towards "i'm town so i'm towny so i'd be doing a good job if i was scum" regardless of the specifics of what she was doing that might make her towny

[Infinity 324]

mmmmmm

what was this

It felt like an indirect rebuttal to me calling ducky obvtown in 147

hmm yeah that might be a good way of describing why that post pinged me

[Infinity 324]

Vote counts as Trust here as i remember.

I think I just accidentally cleared wisdom while goofing around go me

yeah wisdom probably town

Like this is a more likely scum reaction to tw's thing than Tammy's
Town should be questioning it and making sure I am not considered conftown for ever because they should be scared of my scum game

this is silly, town should be putting you as more likely town as a result because you are more likely town as a result

[Wisdom]

Yup that would work really well if I was scum and just missed the vote

[the worst]

am I universally townread? :0

[Wisdom]

Town should do exactly what Tammy did, mention all possibilities
Just townreading me like you did is what scum who think everyone is townreading me anyway does

[Wisdom]

(to infinity obv)

[Infinity 324]

jesus you keep putting me in a spot that forces me to whiteknight klick

towny tbh

[Infinity 324]

Town should do exactly what Tammy did, mention all possibilities
Just townreading me like you did is what scum who think everyone is townreading me anyway does

i think it's pretty clear that there were multiple possibilities and that yo used not confirmed town, i think it's also pretty clear that you being town is significantly more likely here

the only way to get a nullread on you from that is if you think there's a 0% chance that scum!you accepts

[Infinity 324]

pooky's klick push feels very genuine, but it's not scummy to say a thought because you have it

klick is null/PoE for me

[Prism]

It's unlikely I'll be around today, at least until 3p EST. I'm not really feeling it today. If it changes I'll dip in.

[Prism]

Against my better judgement I caught up on the game.

I don't think MafMen essentially saying "but it might come from town, too" is as clever of a point as he thinks regarding Wisdom's reaction to Klick. I concur with Wisdom in that posts like 522 are a bit overly principled. If MafMen doesn't TR Klick and doesn't SR Wisdom I don't know why they didn't just wait to see what happens.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

am I universally townread? :0

I refuse to ever townread you after being traumatized in that game we shall never speak of.

but I do wub you <3

[Prism]

also i for some reason wrote prism twice
the top prism in my brackets is meant to be wisdom

Can you speak more as to how you arrived at those brackets, and maybe what order you placed people in their respective spots? (eg. Were those brackets typed in chronological order, names inserted haphazardly or shifted around?)

[cool cookie]

expending political capital to shade someone who's town is not exactly a winning strategy for a scumside player.

your goal is to get someone to trust you

not make sure nobody can trust anyone (cuz that's like literally impossible)

Scum doesn't just want to get trusted - they want to be trusted more than town
So scum!Tammy would be concerned about town'Wisdom getting soft-confirmed because that takes away from her potential pairings, since all the townies that might have wanted to pair with her would instead be appealing to Wisdom

I don't feel like this is stupid? But it seems that everyone has a consensus about this and I've not played the setup before admittedly

agree with Klick here. I can see scum wanting to shade 1 player to make them feel forced into accepting any trust they can find. maybe wouldn't work with experienced players but I think that is a motive for throwing shade on the right player (whilst wanting to suck up to the majority too). so I think slight tendency towards players who are bucking the consensus and standing out. i havent read everything back but was liking mafmen for town apart from 1 post which referred to my "previous games", when I only have 1, which didn't really make sense. Pooky-Tammy is probably a lock unless they are both scum which would be awkward. i will keep catching up when i can.

[cool cookie]

one of the good things about this game is you don't even need to pair up to win, so less pressure

[Prism]

I think what you're suggesting is a bit more advanced, being about inducing stress on a townsperson, than Klick's suggestion, which was about objecting to townreads rather than letting consensus happen on a player.

Do you think both Pooky/Tammy are town? It seems like you don't think that's the case, but I want to make sure. I don't agree that they're as destined to pair, either.

[Prism]

I feel fine about Pooky so far. I've never seen him roll scum and have spectated no scumgames of his either so I'm just kind of YOLOing based off his reactions and solve suggestions realtime.

I feel fine about Infinity's most recent posts and what they thought was similar for me. What bothered me is that they tend to hone in on some of my more aggressive play or antics, which have been mostly nonexistent this game.

Wisdom definitely got the better of the MafMen interaction but meh.

No clue about Tammy, Klick, the worst, Enchant, or cookie. I wouldn't trust MafMen right now. Not a great game for me readswise.

[Infinity 324]

the way i read you has a lot to do with gut prism, and your questioning of tammy felt good to me, sometimes you playing more aggressively does

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Trivially easy to fake

[Tammy]

there's more posts about Tammy than anyone else in the game lol

heh

RedCoyote once remarked that in almost every mafia game I somehow become the center of attention, no matter what I'm doing or not doing. I'm not sure if that's true but this reminded me of that. Although once coming home from work to find a game that had started while I was at work was having a serious discussion as to what it meant that I hadn't posted yet was both amusing and annoying.

Anyway, I kept up-ish while at work today, I'll get actual caught up shortly.

[Infinity 324]

how are you pooky

i feel like no one is around when i am

pedit: lol