Slaughter Hour: The Grand Debut! | Fin

[petapan]

anyway i think in all likelihood if there's scum split between the rooms they likely knew it was going to be incredibly hard to find a target in the blue room that people would support and that likely goes a way toward explaining the discordance of the pink room. theories about its purity are unmoored from reality, especially if toogeloo is town, because there's usually someone avoiding the wagon

[Dwlee99]

Oh I forgot to post this last night cause I packed up my stuff in the middle of typing it out.

Skitter's reasoning for pink not having 2+ scum is terribad. If there are 2 scum, why would they want to appear aligned to push something through when they could just let it be and town in our hood is unlikely to guess the exact 1/8 person. And if that person IS picked, they could still work together if needed to avoid that. I mean look at the vote count, I thought it was ydrasse and that could have easily been avoided if true by any scum even if taly hadn't unvoted unless scum are already both on someone (which then contradicts the logic that they weren't consolidating with each other)

If there were THREE scum in pink, then this could actually completely explain the discord. There's literally no need to push anything from the scum in pink's POV. Every possible selection is town. If each scum pushes a different mislim then they can all claim that they were right then and that that person should be limmed now. They don't look like they were opportunistically piling onto a townie. Etc. etc. They can even set up false associatives by disagreeing with random player in blue's nomination.

Tldr; skitter logic about number of scum in pink is wrong, and I think the state of the hood is more likely to indicate multiple scum than not.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Start the Vote
I’m just stewing and festering in aimless rage rn so let’s just start the damn vote

[petapan]

i am antsy and want to move on but i want people to commit on the record to how they're voting before we vote to start

[Dwlee99]

Wow that was a big post for from my phone

[Gamma Emerald]

Infinity Towncase

• She feels off her game here unfortunately, but in a way that I can probably reconcile as being town based in it happening before, in the True Love game we played a long way back.
  
• post 2102 feels more like scum knee-jerk reacting to a townie based on the "I TMI'd, where???" type vibe the post gives. 2104 is a clear indication Dunn thought infinity meant Dunn was TMI’ing in this game.
  
• Attempts to work through ulyana's early theory talk seem untainted by scum info
  
• initial interactions with prism were to kinda play devil's advocate, this alongside other progression points on that slot (namely going back and realizing she felt gypyx was sus after she'd looked at her idea that Prism wouldn’t have off meta on me with her townread on me in mind) feel indicative of infinity having real thoughts on the slot
  
• progression on me is she starts out thinking I'm in my townrange for wild thought processes, later realizes some of my content is stuff I could be faking as scum, and spends some time distrusting me until flipping her read back around like late-D1. That seems pretty reasonable for town!infinity, she probably doesn’t need to flip her read like she did as early as she did.
  
• The exact logic for the read flip I was able to parse out was that she liked that I wasn't just trying to keep the same tactic up and get away with it, which makes sense, as I feel like that's a common behavior for scum!me when under pressure is to just push the same bullshit, and the particular way I went about trying to dig out of my hole sideways (as opposed to digging straight down) is one I think is just generally towny.
  
• Has some pretty based takes that feel like she's not being manipulative (seeing ydra's town streak post as a joke, trying to correct me on my misinterpretation of cephrir's actions towards me)
  
• The flip to SRing gypyx does actually seem like there was some prelude in that infinity thought gypyx was maybe meta-manipulating, which would justify going back on the prism read a bit more.
  
• The "too many TRs" thing is something I can pretty much assure is a town!infinity thing at the very least. My exp with scum!finity is kinda limited though
  
• Infinity's point about dunn TMI-ing actually really clicks because I'd also felt Dunn said some eerily accurate stuff about the setup this game, so that makes the Dunn reaction even more of an anti-partner tell imo. Dunnstral just kinda misdirected the topic of conversation, otherwise infinity might have locked into pushing him harder.
  
• This only dawned on me when I posted about it before, but Infinity just dropping the idea of Dunn TMI would have been putting Dunn’s game at risk for little to no reason IMO. It’s my belief that Dunn was bleeding some level of scum knowledge about events. While Infinity was talking about something else, that post initially bringing up TMI was incredibly vague as to what the TMI was about. Someone with the right mindset and perspective seeing that would have locked on to that and immediately called for Dunn’s head. That’s basically giving someone else a free ticket to be obvtown, so why would scum!finity do that? The ONLY agenda I can comprehend that isn’t mired in WIFOM is there was an agreement to cut Dunn loose because he was bleeding to much info, in which case,
  why didn’t Infinity go in for the kill?
  
  
• 2316 definitely makes sense as a town response given what's happened since then, and considering their history.
  
• Infinity's bad pathing on reads this game can be partly explained by the phrase "distracted by the scummy", where she's focusing on actions that look bad in the moment while not entirely keying into what the actions entire mean/what scum motivation they serve. This is exemplified in 2349 where she calls out toog/dunn/saber/unwnd as weaker TRs she's skeptical of, and out of those she ends up putting Saber/unwnd in her lowest tier later on when she should have probably put toog/dunn there. This also kinda resembles how she played in the True Love game I've referenced.
  
• 2504 is a valid point, though I also kinda get what gypyx was presenting in what Infinity was responding to
  
• the way of heeding the words of those she trusts in 2535 is a towntell I think
  
• the whole progression of 2535 -> 2543 -> 2619 seems good
  
• response to ulyana's suspicion regarding the switch in secondary wagon didn't feel defensive
  
• I like the consistency in believing in Prism's read rate on me, though Prism's meta impression of me was totally off (she thought my scumplay hadn't developed over 5 years of playing, when it very much had, and infinity can attest to that because one of the games I floundered as scum in was one all 3 of us were in, and since then I've broken out of the box that my play was stuck in, as infinity kinda saw in haunted village I believe) so there's absolutely room for her to have been wrong as town!

[Dwlee99]

Gamma I'm not reading that because even if I ended up agreeing I would want peta alive more

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I figured as much

[ulyana]

Skitter and Taly both saw through the bullshit to show how I am town early in the hood which is why I stayed I was going to sheep their votes (and even mentioned that I was biased for it). I did more reading of the main game thread during the hood deliberation than I had all game.

My analysis was based on Dunn's name dropping tendencies, which I felt Dunn is the type of scum player who actively ignores his buddies if he can. What I drew from his iso is how he never once mentions Saber ever, not even in a quote, and peta and Ydrasse only get a couple mentions at all. I figured there was some possibility of scum in one of those. Polling the hood, 5 out of 6 of the members had peta in their bottom 2 or 3 from the Blue team, so I spent considerable effort trying to get Pink to consolidate there in the event a case for someone better was never made.

Pink chat was just so anti-teamwork.

you say all of this yet… i was trying to get a vote together on saber, infinity was voting saber, and you were absent for the rest of the pt and that is why saber was not nominated -

it is frustrating for me to see multiple people saying well i wanted

this

or i was trying to do

this

when they could have accomplished what they are saying they wanted but didnt

[Gamma Emerald]

After this hellish event is over I say we put Toog through a wood chipper (luv ya Toog)

[ulyana]

Skitter and Taly both saw through the bullshit to show how I am town early in the hood which is why I stayed I was going to sheep their votes (and even mentioned that I was biased for it). I did more reading of the main game thread during the hood deliberation than I had all game.

My analysis was based on Dunn's name dropping tendencies, which I felt Dunn is the type of scum player who actively ignores his buddies if he can. What I drew from his iso is how he never once mentions Saber ever, not even in a quote, and peta and Ydrasse only get a couple mentions at all. I figured there was some possibility of scum in one of those. Polling the hood, 5 out of 6 of the members had peta in their bottom 2 or 3 from the Blue team, so I spent considerable effort trying to get Pink to consolidate there in the event a case for someone better was never made.

Pink chat was just so anti-teamwork.

you say all of this yet… i was trying to get a vote together on saber, infinity was voting saber, and you were absent for the rest of the pt and that is why saber was not nominated -

it is frustrating for me to see multiple people saying well i wanted

this

or i was trying to do

this

when they could have accomplished what they are saying they wanted but didnt

it’s probably also noteworthy how you keep framing being the deciding vote on a two vote wagon as ‘everyone except ulyana wanted this’

[petapan]

for what it's worth, i am treating this as though there is a chance i die here even if the votes on paper work out in my favor, either from sabotage shit or people just flat-out lying about their votes. so i want to get some reads out in the event of that happening.


Gamma Emerald
Gammagooey
SirCakez

don't touch these people, ever. i am incredibly confident they are town based on solving, response to pressure, how they were treated by dunn, etcetc. it's just not worth entertaining the idea of any of them as scum at this point.

Dwlee99

think very likely town for going after dunn consistently and not playing to look presentable

ulyana

gut feel but something of her responses to me this phase removed the doubt i had. just seemed deadset on wanting to convince me she is town. think by comparison to her scum games she's more pointed in her posting and significantly more active. this is a softer read than the other ones so i wouldn't say never re-eval but. should not be an immediate concern

skitter30
Gypyx
Ydrasse
Taly
Toogeloo

this is the murk. i wouldn't put a high level of confidence on anyone here flipping scum but would think at least one probably is. i still think skitter mostly looks good from interactions with dunnstral, and her play has seemed town to me through the game even though we clearly are wildly diverging in our view of the game now. maybe i'm overconfident in reading her after recent exposure to her scum game but i don't think this is it. everyone after that is the ones with the weakest reasons to clear. a lot of gypyx's posts have been suuuuuper awkward but that doesn't mean scum for him necessarily, from what i can tell he's still trying to figure things out and isn't playing toward an obvious agenda

Infinity 324

unwnd had a post in the PT about her posting seeming to be "struggling with TMI" and i feel like that's a good assessment of her iso. has mostly felt flat and the scumcases she's advanced have seemed so halfhearted. defense of gamma was also very...tepid. i just came away liking what she said a lot less on reread than i had thought in the moment. i wouldn't say i'm super confident she's scum but would flip her pretty much every time here, protests of gamma emerald be damned

Saber

Kill on sight. should absolutely not survive another phase. Just completely flatlined in the PT for no identifiable reason and at this point posting has been limited in focus and mostly geared toward pushing whatever the popular target was, looked reasonable to a point,



i don't think my reads are anything special, and in fact probably aren't very good, but i feel strongly about the top/bottom parts and want to leave some form of direction here in the event i do die. flip the ones on the very bottom and evaluate from there

[petapan]

that list was written before ulyana's most recent posts but i feel even better about having her up there now

[Morning Tweet]

"Split Judgement, Act Two"

Event Rules

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Decision 4.1.3

Suspect Blue:

petapan

Suspect Pink:

Infinity 324

Team Blue Members:

petapan, Ydrasse, Saber, SirCakez, Gypyx, Gammagooey, Gamma Emerald

Team Pink Members:

ulyana, skitter30, Infinity 324, Toogeloo, Dwlee99, Taly

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Start the Vote [2]:

Dwlee99, Gamma Emerald

Not Voting [11]:

petapan, ulyana, Ydrasse, Saber, SirCakez, skitter30, Gypyx, Infinity 324, Toogeloo, Gammagooey, Taly

The voting will begin once a majority of 7 vote to start, or in:

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(expired on 2021-10-25 15:22:24)

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[Gypyx]

also hmmm toog now that i think about it, why are you all about making compromises all of a sudden ? I thought you were more on the side of not taking the game seriously

[Toogeloo]

I killed a scum, I got energized. Plus, I kinda felt like I had to participate since it was just 6 of us.

[Gypyx]

fair, i like that response

[Toogeloo]

After this hellish event is over I say we put Toog through a wood chipper (luv ya Toog)

Been there once already. Bring it on.

[Gamma Emerald]

I killed a scum, I got energized. Plus, I kinda felt like I had to participate since it was just 6 of us.

Pink room, does this statement track?

[Infinity 324]

I killed a scum, I got energized. Plus, I kinda felt like I had to participate since it was just 6 of us.

Pink room, does this statement track?

believable on the surface but i don't super buy it

i'm mostly biased by the fact that i'm now convinced that toog is scum based on mech and when your dayplay reads don't make sense you should just probably look at mech

also i've accepted that i'm probably going to die here and that's ok because peta is being super towny as well

if anyone wants my thoughts on something specific ask

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd be more okay with you dying if it felt like anyone cared about my perspective

[SirCakez]

I'm just going back to how Infinity has been a literal wet napkin all game and also has not good associations with Dunn
Ulyana is someone who is now on the table for me too based on bad Dunn associatives

???

you mean dunn just commenting on my posts so that you could say this right now?

I don't understand what you're saying here
y'all had basically no read on each other and you seemed to avoid talking about him as he did with you

but... why wouldn't scum!dunn just shoot town!toogeloo? instead of 50/50? and after toogeloo made it clear was going to spin barrel if town why wouldn't scum!dunn spin the barrel instead of scum claiming?

well i dunno, maybe the bullet was later down the barrel and toog spinning made things go unpredicatble (actually that's a really likely theory)

or he wanted toog to go first after spinning the barrel, cuz it has better mathematical odds if i recall my calculations correctly

it doesn't, optimal play from a fresh spin is 50/50 although there's a chance someone could misplay and hand the other player an advantage, which is the only reason i can think for him spinning immediately after toog

personally i think in that scenario if i have a teammate with a gun and a townie in the other spot i have them openwolf and just shoot the opponent with the first chambered shot because it still means town wastes a phase eliminating them

good point
definitely might just be SvS

i’m going to ate you until you regret that choice more than any within your life.......

But this is why I thought you were scum!

My assumption going into the PT was that

Toog

was town because I didn't trust that his wagon was heavily town led or influenced because it deflated

unwnd's

wagon and ignored my push for a

Cakez/Dunn

duel.

Based on my read progressions, I figured

unwnd

slot was town and

Cakez

slot was likely a

Dunn

partner.

And then proceeded to disagree with

Infinity/Skitter

over this take and the following ones from this idea throughout most of the PT time.

I felt that your aggression the

unwnd

1v1 was genuine but I couldn't help but think it was angled for your survival.

You think Dunn's target when he's going down is...his vulnerable scum partner? What?

[SirCakez]

atm I have no interest in limming (Gamma Emerald, Peta, Gammagooey/unwnd, Dwlee, skitter)

VOTE: hold obv

having two Gammas is gonna be annoying

[SirCakez]

urgh I probably wouldn't elim Ydra and Saber either
definitely have some deepwolves in my pool..

[SirCakez]

hmph Peta made a point that Saber deflated in the PT and post-PTs
a good point