Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[Wisdom]

Dont see what 559 has to do with anything

[MafMen]

im not about to have a back and forth over nonsense shit again
dont get me wrong im a bad person and like arguing but once is enough for me

[Wisdom]

Yep your goal is to make people think im confbiasing anyway, and not to convince me
You know youre not achieving the latter

[Klick]

And conftowning tw helps stop townreads from forming how?

Townreads were starting to form
They weren't forming on Enchant
Enchant!scum would start to feel pressure to do something to not be left out of trust pairings

I suppose it also implies that if Enchant is scum, it's likely to be with someone who isn't currently widely townread

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Does anyone other than worst actually have a read on Enchant?
I vaguely lean scum? I feel like Enchant!scum is more likely to feel the need to do what he did with the ducky vote than Enchant!town

lol wut

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that's not how this game works Klick

[the worst]

Uhhh
I'm eagerly waiting for Prism to deliver on her promises of potential? So far everything she's given me feels trivially easy to fake
haha see what I did there am I cool now

you're wonderful

[the worst]

Does anyone other than worst actually have a read on Enchant?
I vaguely lean scum? I feel like Enchant!scum is more likely to feel the need to do what he did with the ducky vote than Enchant!town

why's that?

I think Enchant!scum would read what was happening around the time of his play and feel pressure to *do something* to mess with the gamestate, as townreads were starting to form and he'd feel the walls closing in a bit. Whereas Enchant!town doesn't have as much of an obvious reason to shake things up.

hmm I think I found town!Enchant moderately chaotic in the last running of this game. He was also cleared via a townie in that game randomly trusting him (they did so because he's often misread as scum which was p lit) so like, I can absolutely see why he's predisposed towards trusts being pro-town.

[the worst]

Yep your goal is to make people think im confbiasing anyway, and not to convince me
You know youre not achieving the latter

this applies to townies who feel unfairly tunnelled as well tbf

[Klick]

hmm I think I found town!Enchant moderately chaotic in the last running of this game. He was also cleared via a townie in that game randomly trusting him (they did so because he's often misread as scum which was p lit) so like, I can absolutely see why he's predisposed towards trusts being pro-town.

Fair - I don't have any experience with Enchant as far as I can remember so I can see it being a playstyle thing that he'd choose to do as town.

How did it clear him though? I thought everyone decided that trusted people weren't clear (although I still don't really get why that is)

[Enchant]

I am confirmed townie from page 1, idk what you about.

[the worst]

It's kinda 3d chess goofiness but basically:

- if scum trust their short game more, they accept a trust and exit the game to get their partner to carry.
- if scum trust their long game more, they'd be better off sticking around and trying to get their partner to leave first - then carrying using the clout they got for not leaving earlier.

so smartasses like me or pooky would not accept a trust as scum unless we were strictly sure that it was better to leave our partner to carry.

[the worst]

yeah I kinda wanted to rebut your Enchant read bur when I slowed down and thought I realised my read was kinda meta influenced and it was more just that I was surprised you had him as anything but null, you know?

[Wisdom]

I think both you and Tammy would exit as scum rather than stick around

[the worst]

Spoiler: secret duck secrets, only click if you want to shatter my persona forever and never see me the same way

my ego hates that I agree with you, but I agree with you. my short game is a lot better than my long game.

[Prism]

Uhhh
I'm eagerly waiting for Prism to deliver on her promises of potential? So far everything she's given me feels trivially easy to fake
haha see what I did there am I cool now

I wouldn't hold my breath for great reads or townplay from me.

Simultaneously, there are players who hope to see more from me, and I can give them my best effort and take it in stride instead of being a downer and frustrated with myself.

I'll be working over the game the next few hours, so let's see what I can do I guess.

[Prism]

I'm about 20 pages into rereading.

Right now, I actually think I was wrong on MafMen. I know the Wisdom argument is soon to come in the readthrough, but I think this slot is very town. I don't townread Cookie's opener the way MafMen did, but the entire presentation of that argument and persistence in pushing the point is +town to me. I would be moderately surprised if this were scum at all, but especially if it's S/S. I also really liked his interactions with Tammy, starting with 169 but followed up by intentionally ignoring her questioning until 221.

In contrast, I'm a lot more skeptical of Pooky. I think almost all of this game is very rote in his reactions to players. The first question that came into my mind was "What is his plan here if Tammy is scum?", which was answered as "stay out of pairings". I think the attempts to sort her, though, have been both few and unnotable throughout the first 20 pages of the game. The usual flirtations also haven't been used as an instrument to hash out reads together, either, which really throws me.

I'd also townlean Infinity/Enchant/Worst. It took me a minute to put together all of the pieces about Infinity's interactions with Tammy but I think they were +town for her. Enchant/Worst are more spitball.

[Prism]

It's also very clear that this is essentially how Pooky believes the setup should be played as scum. The counter to this is that you do need to have a backup plan, though, in the event Tammy leaves with someone else. There's also some inherent flexibility with only making your adjustment after she leaves, but eh.

More of an heightened scrutiny/nullread than a scumread.

[Prism]

Tammy and maybe Klick-very curious to your thoughts on 941.

I need to take a break, not sure when I can finish rereading as I still have a lot to do after lunch.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the best thing about playing town is that you don't need to leave ! :3

[Prism]

For sure, but the issue is that through the first 20 pages I don't think you're sorting Tammy at all, and that's a problem.

[Prism]

(If it's not clear, 942 is discussing the scum strategy of single-targeting)

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

flirting is sorting

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

trying to convince her to trust me is my way of sorting her. its just rather pointless after wisdom voted for her.

[Prism]

Cool. What do you think of my read on MafMen?

You seem to think both myself and Tammy are town. Not outing reasoning on the former is a point of frustration for me, because I often get very good reads this way, but I get it as it typically starts with a reactionary scumread and it can be draining for players to run the gauntlet to the other side. I'm curious about the latter, though.

P-Edit: I guess that ends the conversation for the present day, but I believe you held the view I'm describing well before then if you don't mind talking a bit about it.