Open 834: Trust Fall - Game Over

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

you sound really bored and having no townreads was a feeling i had as well.

[Prism]

I do not understand this viewpoint but won't belabor the points one me. Whatever directly contradicts my record can stand uncorrected.

I am again more interested in your thoughts on MafMen and your read of Tammy pre-Wisdom trust.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

tammy urging me to "dooo itttt" was somewhat pingy.

felt mindmeldy with her on several posts

fell asleep reading several posts.

liked the line she had about her being proud of herself if this was her scum game.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i didnt like mafmens argument with wisdom

because i didnt understand his motive from a protown perspective

i still do not.

i think it makes more sense for an anti town player to have that long argument with wisdom to get townread rather than a town player making the same argument.

[Prism]

From what I can recollect, I don't think that perspective makes sense - arguing with Wisdom "to get townread" - as opposed to just being frustrated at the argument with the scum knowledge that they're right.

I'll revisit it when I reread that and get caught up with rest of the game. Thanks for humoring me for a moment.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i meant more that scum feel a need to do things

because not doing things is scummy

and one thing thats easy for them to do is argue about something

its not even about klicks alignment

[cool cookie]

i meant more that scum feel a need to do things

particularly in this setup where scum can't lurk unnoticed to victory - they need to actively try and get paired up

[Prism]

Alright, going to get as far as I can with the last 19 pages until this coffee shop closes.

i meant more that scum feel a need to do things

particularly in this setup where scum can't lurk unnoticed to victory - they need to actively try and get paired up

Sorry if you've answered this in a previous page, but how do you feel about MafMen and Wisdom? Skimming I don't see anything, but here you're adding on to the perspective Pooky is pushing, which is that MafMen was hoping that arguing with Wisdom/whiteknighting Klick would seem town.

[Prism]

usually when you pocket one person in a game you don't like win off that.(since theres like lots of other people who can vote your ass off)

not actually relevant or making a point but you know i had to do it to 'em

[Prism]

Rereading the Wisdom/MafMen back and forth is frustrating all over again because this post from Wisdom is 100% right but MafMen seems adamant about not settling for "could be wrong" in favor of "is wrong no matter what"

So mafmen and klick should be in final four, most likely along with infinity and cookie unless something dramatic happens

Right now I'd trade Infinity for Pooky but this is generally OK with me.

T->S I'm at Wisdom, MafMen, Worst, Infinity, Enchant, Tammy, Pooky, Cookie, Klick with a big gap between MafMen/Worst and another between Tammy/Pooky

[Prism]

I find myself agreeing with MafMen through most of this argument, while also finding him most likely to be scum out of him/Wisdom/Pooky

I REALLY want to hear more about this. Did you find something about Wisdom/Pooky particularly town here and MafMen is closer to null, or did you think MafMen was actively scummy despite your agreement in the argument?

[Prism]

Klick's at the bottom of my list but I think 593 is bad from Pooky. Klick's explaining the reticence/scumlean on Tammy. Why would most town players ever frame it as shading with some advanced ulterior motive?

The specificity [in motive] of "preventing town from leaving" seems to be added by Pooky and is a lot more immediate and urgent than what just throwing a read out there requires.

[Prism]

One of the things I most like about Infinity is the level of pedantry on the Wisdom clear/townlean. Most people speak and describe townreads/leans as genuine beliefs or feelings. Something like the missed trust might be

literally

+1% likely to be town, but at that point the level of rational description isn't enough to noticeably tip a scale or change belief.

And I think that disconnect is something Infinity is more likely to hone in on and press as town, as opposed to just...letting the person be wrong and breathing a small sigh of relief.

[Prism]

My biggest fear about MafMen is basically that the double names is kind of a ??? error, the answer was fine but it's really hard to screw up who your top townread is, especially with the name of a player you're paranoid about.

[Prism]

With 638 Tammy has won my heart. Up the townread list you go, rank #3

[Prism]

If I get the motivation I should rescout out Flying Scumsman to see if you normally preemptively hedge your arguments this much as scum vs. town but that's a later project I guess

[Tammy]

I need to properly catch up. I’ve sorta been keeping up while working but meh. I have thoughts but they’ll have to wait. This is mostly a prod dodge just in case. I’ve been grading all day and I have no spoons for mafia. Gonna do something that doesn’t require brain power and see how I feel. I’ll be here tomorrow if I don’t come back tonight.

Though prism - I’m glad to see you poking at the pooky read. I was going to poke at your earlier read cuz it felt like you were writing that off too easily and had be a little wigged.

Perot: I probably do lol

[Prism]

What you wrote about Wisdom in 218 strengthened my feelings there. I don't think that was your intention, regardless of alignment. Earlier, the impression that I got from 218 was that you were possibly trying to dismiss the reasons for townreading Wisdom prematurely in an effort to discredit them; just saying 'but I don't trust my judgment' felt very weak as a dismissal of what felt like good reasoning to me. Reading it now with more context, it feels consistent that you'd rather go off of more evidence than that.

I do not understand what fundamentally changed here. Tammy wasn't sold on it being a strong reason and voiced that. Maybe it's shading maybe it's legitimate. I just don't get the shift here.

[Prism]

Like I get that you're saying "I reread it with more context and it feels consistent" but this seems like wordplay and verbal framing more than an actual improvement in understanding the post.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

usually when you pocket one person in a game you don't like win off that.(since theres like lots of other people who can vote your ass off)

not actually relevant or making a point but you know i had to do it to 'em

its truly an anomaly that someone can be in a pocket for that long.

[Prism]

I’ve been grading all day and I have no spoons for mafia.

Here

Gonna do something that doesn’t require brain power and see how I feel.

Here

Anyway the coffee shop is closing so that's all the reading I can do for now, see y'all later

[MafMen]

when did i say that wisdoms read is wrong no matter what?
ive only ever gone after his read for its weak reasons i dont see the issue here

[Prism]

The point is you think, or at least seem to think that the process or idea behind Wisdom's read is wrong no matter what [Klick's alignment is]

How pedantic are you going to get, dude?

[MafMen]

The point is you think, or at least seem to think that the process or idea behind Wisdom's read is wrong no matter what [Klick's alignment is]

How pedantic are you going to get, dude?

yes thats basically it
im sorry for being annoying and misinterpreting, i thought we were still on the whole point of me thinking klick was town so i lashed out a little lol

[the worst]

hey