Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Toogeloo]

My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"

There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.

I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?

I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Mushshagana writes a lot of words but reaches no conclusions and doesn't talk about their reads beyond "I'm feeling it".
Toog's post is weird because they are focused on the IC and not in a good way.
Strangematter asked a pretty legitimate questionvthat deserves an answer rather than them being disregarded and called scum without explanation

Which SM question was that?

283; I believe this is not the first time somebody asked something like this and it feels like Mush slotted them as scum for that post

I am not sure 283 is as valid of a question towards Mush who as far as I know hasn't played with you before?

You could ask it to ME, but... I'm not going on meta either.

[Gamma Emerald]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?

“I also like the bears for scum right now”
Try reading.

[Dunnstral]

It wasn't directed at Mush but my issue is that Mush seems to be calling them scum for that

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"

There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.

I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?

I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

Okay well, your legit read is wrong and insulting, because that level of play is arrogant and pointless.

And saying it wasn't intended as an insult it really hard to belied when you say stuff like "looking for literally anything to pick a fight". That's insulting.

I used my IC status to find something suspicious, put a magnifying glass on it, and then reveal myself as IC to remove myself from the suspicion pool and push content forward. Dunn just did the scummiest thing first.

I explained all of this after my claim. You saying what you said here is at BEST a bad faith insulting interpretation of my play.

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay that was harsh, sorry

[Lady Lambdadelta]

It wasn't directed at Mush but my issue is that Mush seems to be calling them scum for that

Okay then, so let's get clarification from Mush.

Mush, are you saying SM is scum for post 283 and/or other posts, and if so, can you provide some elaboration/elucidation on that matter?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?

“I also like the bears for scum right now”
Try reading.

2 notches back on the sass meter.

[Critter]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?

“I also like the bears for scum right now”
Try reading.

Harsh but fair. Deserved.

[Dunnstral]

My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"

There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.

I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?

I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

Why are you focused on the ic though?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Welp.

Calling Dunn flipping red. Regardless of flip, I also like the bears for scum right now.

Eyes on Critter, Something_Smart, StrangeMatter.

agreed the bears are prolly scum, most likely not for the reasons you have tho

Then what are you agreeing with here? I think this is where the train derailed? There’s no mention of Milk/Mocha and the only other person here is Mush?

“I also like the bears for scum right now”
Try reading.

Harsh but fair. Deserved.

Sure, though the confusion about people using pet names that you don't have access to isn't really your fault.

[Towelie]

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...

Yeah Pooky/Noraa is not impressing me at ALL.

[Toogeloo]

My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"

There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.

I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?

I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

Okay well, your legit read is wrong and insulting, because that level of play is arrogant and pointless.

And saying it wasn't intended as an insult it really hard to belied when you say stuff like "looking for literally anything to pick a fight". That's insulting.

I used my IC status to find something suspicious, put a magnifying glass on it, and then reveal myself as IC to remove myself from the suspicion pool and push content forward. Dunn just did the scummiest thing first.

I explained all of this after my claim. You saying what you said here is at BEST a bad faith insulting interpretation of my play.

Your actions suggested otherwise, but I'm not trying to pick a fight. My observation stands, especially since you admitted to attacking the first thing you saw that was suspicious. It only further adds credit to my read. You wanted to to out your IC status just to make someone else look worse, and you attacked the first thing you saw.

It doesn't make you right, though.

Dunn has already done more things outside his usual scum meta, but you are committed because you don't like to change your mind, I suspect because you think it makes you look weak, and you want to use your IC status as muscle, so you can't appear weak.

Who do you town read right now?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?

[Toogeloo]

Why are you focused on the ic though?

Just having a conversation. Not every post needs to be an argument as to make the other person appear scummy.

[Dunnstral]

With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.

I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.

Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.

I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)

-b

I would totally be willing to shine a spotlight in Pooky/Noraa's face and see what falls out. I'm not done with Dunn yet and don't want ALL the pressure to evaporate there but...

Yeah Pooky/Noraa is not impressing me at ALL.

Pooky reminds me of Bloodstained right now. Noraa is really quiet which is unusual.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Aso Toog can you explain your read on me?

Answer this, Toog. You said Dunn has done things outside his scum meta. What are those, explicitly?

[Toogeloo]

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?

Because she is an IC, people will be more inclined to sheep instead of think for themselves. LLD isn't a follower, and people will take advantage of that, and she needs to be told when she is probably wrong, or at least have a devil's advocate to open up other possibilities.

[Toogeloo]

He's not lurking, and he claimed flavor. Scum Dunn doesn't fight the status quo.

[Towelie]

There _wasn't_ a status quo at that poiint; it was literally his first post.

-b

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My opinion is that LLD saw she had IC and could barely contain herself, looking for literally anything to pick a fight just so she could go, "Hah!"

There's literally nothing in her claim to suggest scum Dunn, she just needs the bravado to sell it.

I'm so tired of you. Get over yourself. I confidently misread you in one game and now you're taking every opportunity to insult my intelligence. Are you just trying to bait me to get angry? Or is this just not giving a shit about how others feel?

I'm asking you to stop being a jerk and play the game.

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

Okay well, your legit read is wrong and insulting, because that level of play is arrogant and pointless.

And saying it wasn't intended as an insult it really hard to belied when you say stuff like "looking for literally anything to pick a fight". That's insulting.

I used my IC status to find something suspicious, put a magnifying glass on it, and then reveal myself as IC to remove myself from the suspicion pool and push content forward. Dunn just did the scummiest thing first.

I explained all of this after my claim. You saying what you said here is at BEST a bad faith insulting interpretation of my play.

Your actions suggested otherwise, but I'm not trying to pick a fight. My observation stands, especially since you admitted to attacking the first thing you saw that was suspicious. It only further adds credit to my read. You wanted to to out your IC status just to make someone else look worse, and you attacked the first thing you saw.

It doesn't make you right, though.

Dunn has already done more things outside his usual scum meta, but you are committed because you don't like to change your mind, I suspect because you think it makes you look weak, and you want to use your IC status as muscle, so you can't appear weak.

Who do you town read right now?

You don't fucking know me. You don't know who I am, you don't know why I do things and more fucking importantly you don't know the kinds of fucking struggles I have had to fight uphill to be respected in Mafia games as a fucking transwoman.

This shit you are writing is insulting, harmful and bullshit. You have no concept of my motivation or why I do what I do. I have ACTIVELY been searching for other suspects than Dunn and even talking to Dunn about Dunn's reads WHILE STILL SUSPECTING HIM.

My playstyle is a lot more in depth and careful than you give me any credit for, and I have been dealing with people like you all my fucking life, in and out of mafia.

I want you to kindly stop insulting me, stop trying to assess how much of a bad player or person I am and either leave me alone or play the fucking game.

I'm so tired of having to deal with this shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?

Because she is an IC, people will be more inclined to sheep instead of think for themselves. LLD isn't a follower, and people will take advantage of that, and she needs to be told when she is probably wrong, or at least have a devil's advocate to open up other possibilities.

Yes, I'm aware scum are going to try and shift my opinions and guide me somewhere. You're not helping that, you're just making me want to kill you by being every jerk who has ever decided that I wasn't good enough or smart enough to hold my own weight in my life.

Take a long look in the mirror, for the love of god.

[Toogeloo]

Jesus Fucking Christ, I'm not attacking you as a person, LLD. I'm stating my observations of your playstyle.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like NONE of your posting has been trying to convince me Dunn is town. I had to ACTIVELY POKE AT YOU AND ASK YOU WHY DUNN IS TOWN.

And you gave me a 1 line answer, while you spend paragraphs shitting on me.

And you wonder why I won't listen to you.