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[Dwlee99]

Okay given there is a traitor maybe not

I thought zen was townie before he dipped from the thread for ages. I don't really have updated thoughts cause it feels so long ago now

[HawaiianPizza]

did you... not think of that until now?

anyway, i'm not that sure on how to rank std and t3
skimmed a bit of their isos and i want to swap them again, um

math?
wanna read t3?

[HawaiianPizza]

reads and associatives say bad, investigative claim says idk fuck me

[Dwlee99]

did you... not think of that until now?

anyway, i'm not that sure on how to rank std and t3
skimmed a bit of their isos and i want to swap them again, um

math?
wanna read t3?

Did I not think that maybe 5 prs is too many for a game with a traitor? A little bit, but like I've seen extremely town-sided setups so I wouldn't be that shocked if something similar happened here

[Dwlee99]

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

I just ran this setup. I think this is a balanced game. Here if all 5 pr claims are town we have an informed mailman, two 1-shot bp neighbors, a complex vigilante, and an odd-night invest even-night useless.

Depending on scum power I think this is pretty balanced. Scum seem to have a roleblocker to deal with investigative claims, and a vigilante is functionally a conftown here. So why would this not be balanced compared to the game I ran, depending on how much power scum gets.

[MathBlade]

Can everyone do me a solid and order a reads list town to scum? (Or scum to town) no reasons this will help a lot

i have been lazy, but ig this is where i'm at rn

jacket, house/math
t3
std
dwlee
zen

i think most people believe zen to be the traitor here?

It’s a scumclaim because in elo the scummiest person is supposed to vote first.
We all just “fake vote” then whoever is hammered drops a real vote on their top scumspect.

sure, i've heard of the first part... (although it hasn't always seemed to work that nicely ime)
now what is this "fake vote" thing?

You just use hurt or heal tags or something clearly indicated NOT a real vote.
Then whoever is fake “hammered” has 24 hours to vote or it’s a scum claim and everyone dog piles.

Thanks for the list.

[MathBlade]

ok but

is a game with 5 town prs, 2 of them being 1-shot bulletproof, even balanced lmao

why do you townread zen

Is there a list of roleclaims somewhere?
And unless we know what scum have anything is possible.
I think focusing on probable is more likely the best approach.

[MathBlade]

zen having the exact same role as almost50 (1-shot bp neighbour) in a game with a bp traitor

You and Dwlee are talking traitor. Why?

[MathBlade]

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

Oh ah here okay

[Dwlee99]

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

[Dwlee99]

I've been ninja

[MathBlade]

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

This sort of shit should also be warned/banned.
LGBT should not be a synonym for evil.
This seems to have been coming up a lot recently.

[MathBlade]

did you... not think of that until now?

anyway, i'm not that sure on how to rank std and t3
skimmed a bit of their isos and i want to swap them again, um

math?
wanna read t3?

I have my ways that work pretty well in elo.

If it wasn’t elo I would give a dump and show what I am doing but I have a pretty good elo rate. I am gonna do my thing which is just gather a shit ton of information first then reread the thread at once with it and look for inconsistencies.

[T3]

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

I just ran this setup. I think this is a balanced game. Here if all 5 pr claims are town we have an informed mailman, two 1-shot bp neighbors, a complex vigilante, and an odd-night invest even-night useless.

Depending on scum power I think this is pretty balanced. Scum seem to have a roleblocker to deal with investigative claims, and a vigilante is functionally a conftown here. So why would this not be balanced compared to the game I ran, depending on how much power scum gets.

that makes a lot of sense

[TheZenMan]

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

I just ran this setup. I think this is a balanced game. Here if all 5 pr claims are town we have an informed mailman, two 1-shot bp neighbors, a complex vigilante, and an odd-night invest even-night useless.

Depending on scum power I think this is pretty balanced. Scum seem to have a roleblocker to deal with investigative claims, and a vigilante is functionally a conftown here. So why would this not be balanced compared to the game I ran, depending on how much power scum gets.

Wasn't cool cookie informed mailman town? Did you miswrite that?

[TheZenMan]

Honestly don't lim me solely based on mechanics. It's easily possible that 2 neighbours have the exact same role. It actually makes more sense given that it's probably mind games from the mods.

[MathBlade]

Setup

Mafia Mailman
Mafia Combined Rolecop Voyeur
Mafia Bulletproof Ascetic
Town Novice Traffic Analyst
Town One-shot Cop
Town Simple Jailkeeper Neighbor
Town Neighbor
Town Compulsive JOAT (Neighborize, Complex Rolecop, Lazy Roleblock)
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie
Vanilla Townie

I just ran this setup. I think this is a balanced game. Here if all 5 pr claims are town we have an informed mailman, two 1-shot bp neighbors, a complex vigilante, and an odd-night invest even-night useless.

Depending on scum power I think this is pretty balanced. Scum seem to have a roleblocker to deal with investigative claims, and a vigilante is functionally a conftown here. So why would this not be balanced compared to the game I ran, depending on how much power scum gets.

Wasn't cool cookie informed mailman town? Did you miswrite that?

This is a different game Zen

Like reads pwease?

[Dwlee99]

Wasn't cool cookie informed mailman town? Did you miswrite that?

The top list is from a recently ended game I modded not this one. Not sure why you stopped reading there and didn't notice the lack of a traitor or the rolecop voyeur etc

[Jacket]

Math I don't think I've EVER seen that happen

Damn then you haven’t seen a properly played elo.
We get two for one with fake voting.

By making the scummiest player vote first then either A> scum votes first and we get a likely town out of it or B> town votes first which makes us not lose the game by hammering the wrong player.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... =Fake+Vote

Here’s an example bji had to vote first iirc it’s been a year.

Fake vote strat in elo is good.

Even if someone does a play you disagree with/is anti-town, it doesn't make them scum, though. But this is a pointless argument because I lost my will and didn't vote. I'm fine with doing things your way, though.

[MathBlade]

Math I don't think I've EVER seen that happen

Damn then you haven’t seen a properly played elo.
We get two for one with fake voting.

By making the scummiest player vote first then either A> scum votes first and we get a likely town out of it or B> town votes first which makes us not lose the game by hammering the wrong player.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... =Fake+Vote

Here’s an example bji had to vote first iirc it’s been a year.

Fake vote strat in elo is good.

Even if someone does a play you disagree with/is anti-town, it doesn't make them scum, though. But this is a pointless argument because I lost my will and didn't vote. I'm fine with doing things your way, though.

I haven’t said anyone is scum though. The fake vote thing is pretty common in elo. You always want scum to vote first if you can. It’s very sus in elo to just drop a vote for that reason. It robs us of fake voting. Lock scum? No. Suspicious? Yes.

[Jacket]

Can everyone do me a solid and order a reads list town to scum? (Or scum to town) no reasons this will help a lot

I haven't reread still.

T3
House/Mathblade
HawaiianPizza
Dwlee
Zenman
STD



I suspected dwlee coming into the phase. I'm still wary. I disliked them preflip teaming me with Pizza off House suspecting me a lot. But not fully sure they play things the way they have as scum. Like I said, need to reread, haven't had the time.

[Jacket]

I haven’t said anyone is scum though. The fake vote thing is pretty common in elo. You always want scum to vote first if you can. It’s very sus in elo to just drop a vote for that reason. It robs us of fake voting. Lock scum? No. Suspicious? Yes.

I've seen people do it elsewhere but have never had it played that way myself.

[Jacket]

K. I still think STD is mafia. I don't find T3's meta argument convincing.

[Jacket]

TBH, I am very suspicous about the redtea lynching wagon happening so fast and quick. Definetly wasn't a pure wagon and probably some scum bandwagoning there. If redtea really is vig then there are ways to confirm that (2 nks maybe). The only ones I'm seeing that could benefit of redtea dying at this point is probably scum.

[Jacket]

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

I... can actually see this as a thing.

If you squint, you can read between the lines to see "Translator's Note" as "Traitor's Note".

VOTE: redtea

I'm going to claim. I'm an Informed Townie. I know there is a Bulletproof Mafia Traitor in the game. I think the quotes below are Redtea signalling to the rest of the mafia that they are said traitor, partly given it was a really weird out-on-a-limb connection to make in the context of the discussion to that point, and partly because there are very few reasons to make such an effort to hint that you are mafia-aligned, other than being the mafia traitor.

(Translator's Note: gay means mafia-aligned)

im gay

VOTE: redtea

I could be wrong, but there's nothing really lost by me claiming anyway as that's my only power.

AND A KO IN MIDAIR
VOTE: redtea

VOTE: redtea

That's E-2.

VOTE: redtea

E-1.