Mini 2241: The Neighborhood -- ENDGAME

[House]

Okay I did I just didn't see it somehow fuck me, sorry

I've had that happen before, too.

This board software is in desperate need of replacement.

[Dwlee99]

I'm considering this a win cause cult dumb LMAO

... considering you were cult, I guess you're proving your point.

Oop

[Gamma Emerald]

Outside of the small incident with MCat this was a pretty solid #goodvibes game
Been wanting one after recent events.

[Dwlee99]

I think I saw "not zero new message," saw the day start, and then hammered very soon after

[Thestatusquo]

Roles:

House:

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Cult Mentor.

Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• On N1 you are bulletproof.
  
• Each night, if you do not already have a mentee you may recruit one.
  
• If you already have a mentee you may choose to either kill or have them kill someone.
  
• If you die your mentee also dies.
  
• If your mentee dies you may recruit a new one during the next night.
  
• If you have a mentee a PT will be created for you to talk. A new PT will be created for each mentee.
  
• A mentee loses any PRs and alignment upon getting recruited. They share your win condition.

Win Condition

You win when only cult remains or nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Murdercat

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Mafia Roleblocker.

Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each night you or your partner (name here) may attempt to kill someone.
  
• Your PT is here, you may talk there at any time.
  
• Each night you may submit me the name of a player. That player will have their actions negated for the night.
  
• You may use both of your night abilities on the same night.

Win condition

You win when only mafia remains or nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Kazyan

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Mafia Goon.

Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each night you or your partner (name here) may attempt to kill someone.
  
• Your PT is here, you may talk there at any time.

Win condition

You win when only mafia remains or nothing can prevent the same.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Gamma emerald

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Town Parity Cop

. Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each night you may send me the name of two players. I will tell you if those players share an alignment. You may not self target. You may not target the same player two nights in a row.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

The worst

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Town Rolestopper

. Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each night you may send me the name of a player. All night actions targeting that player besides yours will fail.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Dannflor

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Town Live Squirrel Vendor

. Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each night you may send me the name of a player and I will tell them they have received a live squirrel. They will not know who sent it.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Gorkington

Hello and welcome to the neighborhood. You are a

Town Snoop

. Here is a random picture I found off the internet.

Abilities

• Each day you may vote for who you would like to kill.
  
• Each day start you will receive one quote from a private topic that exists in the game chosen at random. All player identifying information will be removed.

Win Condition

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated.

The game thread is here. Please confirm by replying to this role PM with your role and alignment.

Everyone else received the VT PM in the OP.

To clear up what happened around gamma and the worst, which all the dead players are aware of. I wanted to make the role blocker a little more powerful in this setup because scum was underpowered and because I wanted it to always be a counter to the cult. So pregame I decided on a set resolution order which had RB always resolve first. I stand by that, and I think that role was necessary for the game to function correctly.

However, what I do not stand by and what I would like to apologize for in this game is that I did not give town any way to figure that out. I'm all for subverting expectations and challenging assumptions about what a balanced mafia game looks like, but I always want to give my players the tools to figure it out. That was not here with this resolution change. I had meant to include something in the rules about how non-NAR resolution is possible, but it completely slipped my mind, and ended up having a way more outsized impact on the game than it should be. I am sorry for that. It was an oversight and my fuck up through and through.

[House]

Outside of the small incident with MCat this was a pretty solid #goodvibes game
Been wanting one after recent events.

I'm very glad that you had a better experience this game.

[Kazyan]

Pooky sus tho

[Thestatusquo]

PTs:

Spectator
Mafia
Cult 1
Cult 2
Gamma Notes PT

Night actions:
N1
MCat RB the worst
Gamma target unwnd and kazyan
Dannflor vend to house
House recruit gorkington
The worst RS Unwnd
Mafia kills house

N2
Murdercat RB gamma
Gamma target house and MC
Dannflor vend to pooky
The worst RS gamma
Mafia kaz kills LLD
Cult gork kills gamma

n3
Mudercat RB the worst
Dannflor vend to gorkington
The worst RS dannflor
Mafia kaz kills dannflor
Cult gork kills kazyan

N4
Murdercat RB house
Mafia MC kills gorkington
Cult House kills dwlee99

N5
House recruit dwlee99.

[MegAzumarill]

The problem with that is set NAR is only to resolve conflicting actions.

Since the roleblock did not interfere with the role stop, usually this would count as the roleblocker action being stopped.

"If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list."
This applies for normal NAR at least.

Overall it's fine because it just equates to a strong willed roleblocker in all but name, which did not actually matter during gameplay.

[MegAzumarill]

Overall I had a lot of fun and think you did a good job Shea

[Thestatusquo]

The problem with that is set NAR is only to resolve conflicting actions.

Since the roleblock did not interfere with the role stop, usually this would count as the roleblocker action being stopped.

"If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list."
This applies for normal NAR at least.

Overall it's fine because it just equates to a strong willed roleblocker in all but name, which did not actually matter during gameplay.

I...know this? I was explicitly stating I did not use NAR.

[MegAzumarill]

The problem with that is set NAR is only to resolve conflicting actions.

Since the roleblock did not interfere with the role stop, usually this would count as the roleblocker action being stopped.

"If only one of the actions affects another, resolve that one first, regardless of the positions on the list."
This applies for normal NAR at least.

Overall it's fine because it just equates to a strong willed roleblocker in all but name, which did not actually matter during gameplay.

I...know this? I was explicitly stating I did not use NAR.

Alright I must've misread, I thoguht you we're using NAR in a different order.

Point still stands that it didn't affect gameplay in all but name so the only one that really ended up slighted was Mafia not neccasarily having the knowledge the roleblock resolved first.

[Thestatusquo]

I mean I think gamma and the worst thing could potentially end very differently if there had been any clue that maybe night action resolution wasn't completely bog standard.

that said, town still won so yeah I guess you're right.

I did find it amusing that all of yesterday town was hyperfocused on being in kingmaker because they were assuming two mafia and desperately trying to come up with a winning game plan when the winning game plan was actually just lim the two literal claimed scum.

[Kazyan]

Everyone thought there were three mafia, including the two mafia. Lesson learned.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I think gamma and the worst thing could potentially end very differently if there had been any clue that maybe night action resolution wasn't completely bog standard.

If you assume NAR it just ended up being that Murdercat was a roleblocker with a hidden strong willed modifier. Not really bad and nothing changes from a town POV.

I at least considered the possibilty of a strong willed roleblocker but decided it was unlikely.
Probably a bad assumption considering roleblocker + parity cop is an extremely OP FTC setup. Assuming scum had a bypass should have been default.

[Thestatusquo]

I think it would be pretty insane to have three mafia in this setup but I understand that not having the context of the night action resolution it was logical for town to think that there were likely two scum PRs.

[House]

which multiple people seem to be buying into? Or not? Idk

Where is anyone buying into this?

I'm just gonna pretend you didn't ask that, because reading my post in full provides enough context to show that my mind was scattered all over the place.

Because if I thought you were actually trying to bring up an old post of mine where I was mostly disengaged in order to angle some sort of shade at me, that would not leave a very good impression.

- House

I need to stick with these hunches, lol.

[House]

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

VOTE: Gammajamma

No. That makes no sense. Flipping both Kaz & unwnd would out him. He's not that stupid.

UNVOTE:

Ummm...

VOTE: Murdercat

Why did your wagon evaporate, anyway?

I need a new pairing if we’re voting out mcat

ducky & pooky would be hilarious <snip>

This game would have gotten SO town-sided if that had happened.

[the worst]

GG all. Thanks for modding, Shea.

Spoke about this a bit in the dead thread, but I don't think this would've gone much differently if there were clues about non-NAR action resolution. I was goin down eventually

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

GG all

thanks for modding shea

my reads were complete trash we still won

Thank god House admitted he was the Cult Leader lolol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

<3 you duckie

[Bingle]

I demand all the credit for the best part of this setup. I spent literal minutes rounding up live squirrels for dann to throw at people.

[House]

GG all

thanks for modding shea

my reads were complete trash we still won

Thank god House admitted he was the Cult Leader lolol

Never been a huge fan of 3p. I'd been town-sided the entire game, anyway.

[the worst]

I assume you mean anti-mafia sided and not explicitly townsiding>cultsiding

[MURDERCAT]

GG, thanks Shea

Last game for a while, see you all on the discord
Sorry I never have as much time as I hope anymore