Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[ssbm_Kyouko]

You really have no opinions beside Toog? On anything?

Look at the time stamps, I'm not sure I've gone 5 minutes without either being asked to explain something or accused of something. I've been under barrage this whole time without having even read the game or really

done anything

yet.

And there it is, unprompted.

I'm really confident on Dunn flipping scum today. This answer instead of just giving other thoughts is... yeah.

I mean it really seems possible in these recent posts but I still dont understand where you got the idea from your role that hardclaiming Code Red is a scumclaim. I understand the argument for scum!Dunn to claim this as a way to garner towncred, but I dont see why town!Dunn would not do it.

And I dont understand from the reveal of your flavor, which was diet dew, where you got the idea that code red was scum-indicative.

Something I do find odd about Dunn's posts now I have more context is that he seems to have inconsistent thoughts about the flavors that town/scum will have. He thought you scumreading him for code red was an indicator scum could have the one true soda, but also he light TRed Toogeloo for softing a competitor mello-yello which is a yikes for me

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Yours made sense because it was related to nicknames and thinking someone was responding to you. Mush writes paragraphs about things that didn't happen, and as I mentioned it feels like they have a goal in mind (scumreading certain players) while you would have no such goal.

I always have goals in mind, but you're portraying my goal as "having any scumread at all." Which is blatantly false, since I've given reasoning for all my cases. Oh sure, I've held reasoning back just as much as I've explained it, but I have no need to coach scum on what they're doing to get scumread. And besides that, I've explained in every single game I've been in that most people will not understand about half of my reasoning most of the time, because I'm looking in weird places because I'm completely unable to recognize or understand "normal" tells.

Meanwhile, I've pointed to every instance of what post I was actually thinking of and they do indeed exist -- just, you know, as your posts. They're scummy posts from anybody in the context they happened, though I had remembered (and alluded to!) an existing pressure that I also couldn't place for Critter.

Placed it pretty ably in your case.

So what we see here is you...
Deflecting from yourself when given some breathing room after an extremely high pressure situation, apparently in order to (unsuccessfully) create a nonexistent 1v1. (Wish you had managed it, too, I sure do want to hear from StrangeMatter!)
Denying all evidence provided when I give quotes, to the point of denying that it even could have happened. (That doesn't look very good for you now.)
Confidently proclaiming I have a goal in mind (which I've never hidden) that has no town basis. (Which is wrong -- because I am plainly, obviously, to anyone with eyes to see, not doing what you're accusing me of.)
Asking questions that go nowhere, and never following up on them when they are ignored, which is obvious flail.

So. How are you not scum? I mean, not that you can convince /me/ otherwise, but you deserve a right to a trial by a jury of your peers -- and as it happens, here they are.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Look at that pagetop, now imagine if I'd also sniped 420 back when I made 421. At that point I'd demand to be reflavored to game fuel or riot

[Dunnstral]

"i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior

lol
just because Noraa doesn't sign doesn't mean I'm suddenly pooky

I've never had a Mt.Dew or any of it's offshoots. I did have a Mellow Yellow 30ish years ago after watching Days of Thunder. The only things I know about Pepsi Products is that Mt.Dew hard carries their brand, and Taco Bell has to remind me that they serve Sierra Mist and not Sprite.

I prefer Arnold Palmers if I need caffeine.

Just googled Mellow Yellow and it's not even a mt dew flavor, it's a competitor. I thought Toog was softing their mt. dew flavor here.

@SSBM

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Look at that pagetop, now imagine if I'd also sniped 420 back when I made 421. At that point I'd demand to be reflavored to game fuel or riot

(I can't be held accountable, she put it in my head.)

[Dunnstral]

Yours made sense because it was related to nicknames and thinking someone was responding to you. Mush writes paragraphs about things that didn't happen, and as I mentioned it feels like they have a goal in mind (scumreading certain players) while you would have no such goal.

I always have goals in mind, but you're portraying my goal as "having any scumread at all." Which is blatantly false, since I've given reasoning for all my cases. Oh sure, I've held reasoning back just as much as I've explained it, but I have no need to coach scum on what they're doing to get scumread. And besides that, I've explained in every single game I've been in that most people will not understand about half of my reasoning most of the time, because I'm looking in weird places because I'm completely unable to recognize or understand "normal" tells.

Meanwhile, I've pointed to every instance of what post I was actually thinking of and they do indeed exist -- just, you know, as your posts. They're scummy posts from anybody in the context they happened, though I had remembered (and alluded to!) an existing pressure that I also couldn't place for Critter.

Placed it pretty ably in your case.

So what we see here is you...
Deflecting from yourself when given some breathing room after an extremely high pressure situation, apparently in order to (unsuccessfully) create a nonexistent 1v1. (Wish you had managed it, too, I sure do want to hear from StrangeMatter!)
Denying all evidence provided when I give quotes, to the point of denying that it even could have happened. (That doesn't look very good for you now.)
Confidently proclaiming I have a goal in mind (which I've never hidden) that has no town basis. (Which is wrong -- because I am plainly, obviously, to anyone with eyes to see, not doing what you're accusing me of.)
Asking questions that go nowhere, and never following up on them when they are ignored, which is obvious flail.

So. How are you not scum? I mean, not that you can convince /me/ otherwise, but you deserve a right to a trial by a jury of your peers -- and as it happens, here they are.

I never pushed StrangeMatter.

[Dunnstral]

The opposite in fact

[Dunnstral]

Asking questions that go nowhere, and never following up on them when they are ignored, which is obvious flail.

Quote it

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I never pushed StrangeMatter.

And where did I claim you did? Find that statement.

Or admit you are trying to suggest something happened that did not, /like you are accusing me of/. Because it would be way less time consuming for you and might earn you some respect on your way to your now-inevitable elimination.

As for the question flail... next post I make.

[Wisdom]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

[Dunnstral]

Deflecting from yourself when given some breathing room after an extremely high pressure situation, apparently in order to (unsuccessfully) create a nonexistent 1v1. (Wish you had managed it, too, I sure do want to hear from StrangeMatter!)

Is this not saying that I tried to 1v1 StrangeMatter?

[Wisdom]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

Critter's getting there too

[Wisdom]

Leaving a poe of {Emmi, Venus, SS, SM, Kyouko}

[ssbm_Kyouko]

normally IC doesn't reveal the whole role tho, lol

I think the announcing modifier was announced as well wasnt it? But also this isn't technically a normal. Idk I just saw macho IC is diet dew and was like well, that's town, but also the assumptions about about code red make no sense considering her flavor announcment, so... unvote, scratch hannouncement, ig

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Do you have any opinions on anything?

We're not having a very good time working from memory lately. That was the only one I pulled from memory.

As it happens, the real culprit there is one you yourself pointed out -- bear-pair was dropping garbo questions and not even following up on them. My bad there.

The rest holds and is more than enough to bury you.



PEDIT: ...No, Dunn, its the same claim I've BEEN making since back when I thought it was Critter doing that.

There's another component too, the good ol' "let's you and them fight", pitting me as scum vs. innocent StrangeMatter while maintaining a distance from the interaction themselves.

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Quoting 351 was a mistake. I realized as soon as I did that I wasn't seeing the questions I was thinking of. My bad for leaving that there.

[Wisdom]

SM is almost certainly scum with that iso

[Wisdom]

S_S pretty underwhelming

[MUSHSHAGANA]

SM is almost certainly scum with that iso

THANK you, god damn.

It's pretty hard to sell that myself, but if someone whose brain isn't made of mildew and nematodes sees it too, maybe they'll be able to make the argument more gracefully than I can.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

There _wasn't_ a status quo at that poiint; it was literally his first post.

-b

I think it's fair to say that claiming flavor in your opening post is against the status quo in a game of mafia unless there is clear pro-town benefit, like in an open/semi-open that is crackable (3d20, the first one), or like when you're a miller-type

[ssbm_Kyouko]

That was a legit read and not intended as an insult.

But she’s confirmed town, why do you give a shit about her motivations?

Because she is an IC, people will be more inclined to sheep instead of think for themselves. LLD isn't a follower, and people will take advantage of that, and she needs to be told when she is probably wrong, or at least have a devil's advocate to open up other possibilities.

Assume that I am wrong and Dunn is town. Why hasn’t he given reads? This reads more like you don’t like LLD’s playstyle vs a scummy motivation here. The only thing he’s done that’s memorable is attack you which means you’re more than likely town if Dunn is scum. If Dunn is town he really needs to start re-reading the game and give thoughts. Dude can’t make up his mind more than me which says a lot.

This feels slightly out of touch. Dunn's started posting thoughts already at this point and Critter is latched to a previous gamestate and using it to perpetuate shade on Dunn.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Dunn on toog in isekai

Dunn wasn't in isekai

He wasnt in isekai after I caught him killing on N1

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I've never had a Mt.Dew or any of it's offshoots. I did have a Mellow Yellow 30ish years ago after watching Days of Thunder. The only things I know about Pepsi Products is that Mt.Dew hard carries their brand, and Taco Bell has to remind me that they serve Sierra Mist and not Sprite.

I prefer Arnold Palmers if I need caffeine.

Just googled Mellow Yellow and it's not even a mt dew flavor, it's a competitor. I thought Toog was softing their mt. dew flavor here.

Oh wait I'd misremembered this apparently, didnt realize you didnt know mellow yellow was a false idol

[ssbm_Kyouko]

No I'm livewire

Hihi

How come Notsci gets a hi but I dont

Idk, probably isekai recency

[Critter]

{Dunn, Milk, Mush, Towlie, Gamma} = town

I don’t really see what you’re talking about with most of these reads. Can you expand please?