Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

Dorsey · Post Post #225 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:14 am

Culture difference/language barrier - I'm fine with that. Exploitation of such is fair in mafia I assume.

Noraa · Post Post #226 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:17 am

In post 213, Deimos27 wrote:TA I'm lost and you're my only tr can you shed light

Doesn't make sense for town to vote me over you if they think the SR on them is bad. For me, it reminds me of how as scum I like to poke and prod around to see where town's weak spots are. I hate to use this other reason but oh well. The flailing came a bit early. I feel bad for saying that as someone who has literally been tunneled to hell and back for reasons like this but I do think it still applies to some extent here.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #227 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:18 am

I think they’re hammered.
I’ll reserve any judgement made, until i see the flip.

Deimos27 · Post Post #228 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:18 am

In post 223, Dorsey wrote:? But you've been beaten? Or won, depending on your alignment. The wagon goes through with 5 votes regardless of any unvoting.

I did not realise it reached 5 votes but if so we will find out soon enough

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #229 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:20 am

In post 216, Noraa wrote:
In post 210, Deimos27 wrote:I would greatly appreciate not hammering before Kop has more than literally 2 posts and A50 has to produce actual game-related content
UNVOTE:
There in spirit

Noraa, were you aware that you placed the hammer vote?

Dorsey · Post Post #230 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:23 am

A50+, Deimos+, Kop+, Noraa++, Tamora - my guess

Deimos27 · Post Post #231 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:23 am

In post 226, Noraa wrote:
In post 213, Deimos27 wrote:TA I'm lost and you're my only tr can you shed light
Doesn't make sense for town to vote me over you if they think the SR on them is bad. For me, it reminds me of how as scum I like to poke and prod around to see where town's weak spots are. I hate to use this other reason but oh well. The flailing came a bit early. I feel bad for saying that as someone who has literally been tunneled to hell and back for reasons like this but I do think it still applies to some extent here.

Ok sure, though they explained that they voted you because you already had a vote. That seems reasonable to me.

NorwegianboyEE · Post Post #232 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:24 am

In post 230, Dorsey wrote:A50+, Deimos+, Kop+, Noraa++, Tamora - my guess

What?
I don’t understand what any of this means.

Noraa · Post Post #233 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:24 am

In post 229, NorwegianboyEE wrote:Noraa, were you aware that you placed the hammer vote?

Oh geez that was hammer? I love hammering but I was not aware of this one, no.

Deimos27 · Post Post #234 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:24 am

In post 227, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think they’re hammered.
I’ll reserve any judgement made, until i see the flip.

... When did the meta on this site become D1 flashwagon elims

Deimos27 · Post Post #235 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:25 am

In post 230, Dorsey wrote:A50+, Deimos+, Kop+, Noraa++, Tamora - my guess

What are the +'s for

Dorsey · Post Post #236 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:25 am

Ask Kop

Noraa · Post Post #237 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:27 am

In post 231, Deimos27 wrote:Ok sure, though they explained that they voted you because you already had a vote. That seems reasonable to me.

Why is that reasonable? I they took issue with the SR on them, they should be voting the person they think is most likely to be scum (the pusher which now I'm confused since you dont think Dorsey is scum? since apparently the push is bad) as opposed to whoever is more likely to be elimmed. The day is still early and it doesn't make sense to already be thinking about that.

Noraa · Post Post #238 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:29 am

In post 234, Deimos27 wrote:
In post 227, NorwegianboyEE wrote:I think they’re hammered.
I’ll reserve any judgement made, until i see the flip.
... When did the meta on this site become D1 flashwagon elims

A while ago but I didn't mean to hammer. I'm not really used to 5 to hammer on day so I thought we were far from hammering.

Deimos27 · Post Post #239 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:31 am

In post 237, Noraa wrote:
In post 231, Deimos27 wrote:Ok sure, though they explained that they voted you because you already had a vote. That seems reasonable to me.
Why is that reasonable? I they took issue with the SR on them, they should be voting the person they think is most likely to be scum (the pusher which now I'm confused since you dont think Dorsey is scum? since apparently the push is bad) as opposed to whoever is more likely to be elimmed. The day is still early and it doesn't make sense to already be thinking about that.

It's not a matter of whether you agree, it's a matter of whether you think town!Dorsey is likely to use that as a consideration. They seem to believe that the pressure exerted by the vote is currently more valuable than the probability that the target of the vote is scum.

Maybe they think I'm only slightly +scum compared to you. It's all up to the relative weightings of those things in their mind.

Noraa · Post Post #240 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:32 am

In post 239, Deimos27 wrote:They seem to believe that the pressure exerted by the vote is currently more valuable than the probability that the target of the vote is scum.

But that's straight up scum mentality.

Deimos27 · Post Post #241 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:33 am

In post 240, Noraa wrote:
In post 239, Deimos27 wrote:They seem to believe that the pressure exerted by the vote is currently more valuable than the probability that the target of the vote is scum.
But that's straight up scum mentality.

If so then we should stop using RVS

Deimos27 · Post Post #242 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:34 am

Lots of people believe that the information gained to town from pressure on a player is greater than the information gained from having a symbolic vote on your #1 sr

Noraa · Post Post #243 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:35 am

2 votes isn't pressure though and either way it doesn't really matter. Pretty sure this is just flipping scum.

Deimos27 · Post Post #244 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:36 am

I'm just saying I don't think we should have rushed to analyse Dorsey based on objective considerations. They're clearly new to the game so their mentality is likely to be flawed no matter what, and I wanted to set a baseline for it first before trying to observe deviations. I think that's how you analyse beginners.

Deimos27 · Post Post #245 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:37 am

But yeah let us wait for a flip ig

Tamora's Angel · Post Post #246 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:56 am

In post 213, Deimos27 wrote:TA I'm lost and you're my only tr can you shed light

Nain is the God of Power. Some folks be scummy voting for control.

Tamora's Angel · Post Post #247 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 5:58 am

Don't really do micros but Kop/A50 plus one on Dorsey wagon is where I'd go.

Noraa · Post Post #248 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:05 am

Why Kop

Noraa · Post Post #249 (ISO) » Sat Oct 23, 2021 6:06 am

He had more analysis in one post here than he did in his whole iso in some other game where he wasn't town.