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[Wiki]

u told he is newbtown
so why is it extremely scummy to vote andre?

[Wiki]

Because I just figured one of Andres, Ico, or T3. Andres 0 votes on vanity wagon, T3 0 votes on leading wagon 1, Ico 0 votes on leading wagon 2

looks like attempt to figure out the situation
does smb understand meaning? (not me, but interesting)

[T3]

u told he is newbtown
so why is it extremely scummy to vote andre?

because bad reasoning
also maybe just a tad bit of recency bias

[Wiki]

Salsa, last warning. Kindly remind.

Salsa
once more again

you
1) either dont think dwlee is a bad player --- he should be scum for you for defending your scumreads t3 (awesome town) and gamma (locktown)
2) or you think he is a bad player, so he is mistaking in t3 and gamma
3) or your scumreads just wrong and he might be right about them if he is town

the second option is wrong, because you said he is not an idiot for you

[Wiki]

If Salsa ignores it, she is lockscum. Because it is impossible to think Dwlee is a good player with all respect to him from her, but at the same time he considers she is scum, her 2 scumreads are town for him. Impossible to think like that about Dwlee. Impossible. And to vote with him in Dorsey.

[Wiki]

Not he, but they

[Wiki]

This level of tunnelling I never saw from town!

Dwlee

before to anyone. It indicates maybe they're really town because after my flip they'll be suspicious af. From my experience with scum!them, they're kind of deepwolf type, so my green flip will put them in a position which scum!them won't want?
Part of me also thinking as people don't take my reads seriously, scum!them can easily find a way out by proving my playstyle is scummy so the elimination is logical.

VOTE: Salsabil Faria
she cannot think dwlee is town, because her scumreads Gamma and T3 are his lock-townies and your are a scum for him.
though he doesnt remember about gamma lock town, i quoted it
at least 1 scum is between them, and salsa is more susp because of her position "not scum Dwlee, scums T3 and Gamma", comparing with his position "scum Salsa, town T3 and Gamma". And she votes after him in Dorsey, this is suspicious af.

[geraintm]

i dont have much to add today.

except i cant stand wiki's style of posting. it feels like they want to get into an argument with everyone, always asking questions, but it feels like their response is to always just ask more questions.

[Three]

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

Uh, yeah, exactly. Pocketing and/or defending a suspicious townie is a common scum tactic.

This is the 2nd time you're misinterpreting me, but before clear what I ACTUALLY said, are you agreeing you're scummy? Cause I was defending YOU!

???

You're literally referring to A50 in that post. My name isn't even mentioned there.

There is the proof of your misinterpretation of my post:

A50

said scum!me is trying to pocket me and I replied sarcastically that yeah, scum!me will pocket the person who themselves in people's suspect list. What I meant there is, if scum!me want to pocket someone, that person would be the widely townread person or someone whose trust would be beneficial for scum!me. But here, people don't trust

A50

that much, so there is no point for scum!me to pocket them. And you said scum!me is trying to pocket suspicious townie as a scum tactic aka misinterpretation on Jupiter level

Can we stop with the fake misinterpretation accusations? I know what you said. I said scum still do that anyway. This is not a hard concept.

[Three]

i'm gonna shorten my response to 1012 because this game is already giving me a headache due to wiki and it's not worth it

i am disagreeing with you? or rather i'm calling you out for falsely saying i have a "contradiction" going. like, 740 asks how i can think a post she made made sense while still thinking it's scummy. i can think both, because scum sometimes tells the truth. she was telling the truth about never claiming there was scum between dwlee/wiki. that doesn't make her town.

i'm not quoting word for word (and am rather carrying over the meaning) because it's easier to make my point that way. like it seemed obvious to me that "cuz i'm mafia pushing you?" was said in a "is this not what you're thinking right now?" context.

and it's called hyperbole. yes, you obviously didn't have literally zero reads and takes this whole game. the intended meaning was always "i think you've given too little content for how you've been active", like i think it was kinda understood to mean that?

You're making it really obvious that you just don't want to admit you were wrong. Whatever.

[Three]

i'm gonna shorten my response to 1012 because this game is already giving me a headache due to wiki and it's not worth it

i am disagreeing with you? or rather i'm calling you out for falsely saying i have a "contradiction" going. like, 740 asks how i can think a post she made made sense while still thinking it's scummy. i can think both, because scum sometimes tells the truth. she was telling the truth about never claiming there was scum between dwlee/wiki. that doesn't make her town.

i'm not quoting word for word (and am rather carrying over the meaning) because it's easier to make my point that way. like it seemed obvious to me that "cuz i'm mafia pushing you?" was said in a "is this not what you're thinking right now?" context.

and it's called hyperbole. yes, you obviously didn't have literally zero reads and takes this whole game. the intended meaning was always "i think you've given too little content for how you've been active", like i think it was kinda understood to mean that?

A50 why not salsa

I dunno. She tried to pocket me, didn't she? I'm glad to accept that pocket for today.

Yeah, pocket the person who also in people’s suspect list..

>_>

that's like the entire point of whiteknighting

THANK YOU. Holy shit, I feel like I'm losing my mind.

[Gamma Emerald]

Read upto page 5,

ico

seems scummy atm.

your posting starting around here was probably the most towny part of your play so far (I was going to quote wall posts I liked until I saw how large your ISO was)

[Wiki]

i cannot accept that she plays with no simple logic at all
but if dwlee and gamma also think that she is townie, thats interesting

[Andresvmb]

I have a very self-centered reason to think Dorsey is Town.

[Three]

I'm not sure why people suddenly piled their votes onto Dorsey.

[Andresvmb]

Out of all the slots they could have voted in this game, they vote the one slot that is being most consistently TR? I would agree their reasoning is shit and I definitely cannot defend their play so far. But the vote on me clearly stuck out to a lot of you, and that doesn’t seem like something Scum that’s lurking would do there.

[Andresvmb]

@Wiki we have a philosophical disagreement around what you’re perceiving on Ico but I definitely TR the fact that you’re paying attention to this in this way. I just think you need to be less repetitive and frankly, obnoxious.

I have a feeling Scum care about building a worldview that makes sense. I would argue Scum are less likely to express a TR of a slot and then turn around and vote that slot based on vibes they had or little explanation. It sticks out, so people like you will point it out and argue it’s Scummy. But it’s early in the game. Reads aren’t fully formed. It happens that people change their minds quickly in the early part of the game. I would argue your argument doesn’t seem correct in my mind.

Also, I’m not going to get into a massive back and forth over this. That’s my opinion as to why you might be wrong on Ico. But I feel much more uncertain about Ico’s alignment.

[Wiki]

I'm not sure why people suddenly piled their votes onto Dorsey.

+

Salsa said to Dwlee that she can vote Gamma (scumread) or Dorsey (nullread). Quick reminder: it is strange, that she didnt mentioned here T3, who is scumread for her like Gamma.
After that Dwlee voted Dorsey with the words, that first tunneling usually is a town (means Salsa can be town for him).
Salsa votes Dorsey after him.
T3 immediately added his vote to Dorsey, creating a strange reason to do that (for him it is EXTREMELY SUSPICIOUS for Dorsey to vote Andre with no reason). Quick reminder: T3 said that Dorsey is very very very newbtown for him.

In this situation: Salsa and T3 has strange actions.

And I have a feeling that Salsa might be not with Dwlee, but this is not 100%.

Btw Gamma voted to Dorsey, A50 wanted to elim Dorsey... They can add their votes here with ease.

[Andresvmb]

Because I just figured one of Andres, Ico, or T3. Andres 0 votes on vanity wagon, T3 0 votes on leading wagon 1, Ico 0 votes on leading wagon 2

@Dorseey Can you expand on the meaning of this post? I guess I understand you’re arguing I could be Scum because I haven’t pushed a player no one else has pushed? What about the other ones?

[Wiki]

@Wiki we have a philosophical disagreement around what you’re perceiving on Ico but I definitely TR the fact that you’re paying attention to this in this way. I just think you need to be less repetitive and frankly, obnoxious.

I have a feeling Scum care about building a worldview that makes sense. I would argue Scum are less likely to express a TR of a slot and then turn around and vote that slot based on vibes they had or little explanation. It sticks out, so people like you will point it out and argue it’s Scummy. But it’s early in the game. Reads aren’t fully formed. It happens that people change their minds quickly in the early part of the game. I would argue your argument doesn’t seem correct in my mind.

Also, I’m not going to get into a massive back and forth over this. That’s my opinion as to why you might be wrong on Ico. But I feel much more uncertain about Ico’s alignment.

i understand what you are saying, though before we know smth for sure i see no reasons to think other way

[Selynee]

I do.

Which one?

Out of all the slots they could have voted in this game, they vote the one slot that is being most consistently TR? I would agree their reasoning is shit and I definitely cannot defend their play so far. But the vote on me clearly stuck out to a lot of you, and that doesn’t seem like something Scum that’s lurking would do there.

Interesting thought, though Dorsey didn't vote on any leading wagon till now. And they weren't lurking in the sense they tried to pass unobserved. Like, the vote on Icon and saying they are sheeping Wiki.
So, like voting here on a leading wagon would be even weirder.

[Gamma Emerald]

i cannot accept that she plays with no simple logic at all
but if dwlee and gamma also think that she is townie, thats interesting

your problem is your logic is TOO simple lol

[Selynee]

T3 you said this makes sense (andre treads a50), now you say we should run up a50. Does "run up" mean to elim?

It doesn't matter A50's alignment. We should put him to E-1

It's this the game where everyone says weird stuff?

@T3- you have reads that are not tone based?

@Three- Again...there is no reason town would fake a read here. Especially a scum read. So, you should be the first one to want be elim here...and make a case.

PS: Your vote was terrible. Which is...interesting cuz I felt like SF was soft defending you the first part of the game

I...what? Why would I want to be the first one to be eliminated here? And I did make a case, it's gone on for several days now...

Why is my vote terrible? Her slot rolled scum. What's wrong with voting Salsa even though she soft defended me?

Want me elim. Typo

Nothing wrong with voting someone who soft defended you but I don't think you've mentioned Salsa before that vote. And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"

[Datisi]

y'all, i finished some work more than a day before its deadline, i am so proud of myself
anyway, where were we

i don't know how to phrase my question differently than "what do you find scummy about fakeclaiming daycop?".

you just keep quoting that post where you say it's not a normal role. but that doesn't explain anything.

Ok, I'm trying to make it clear. When I entered the game with

Dwlee

vote, it was RVS. Then I saw

gera

's post including

Wiki

's

hard claiming day cop

guilty on

Dwlee

and made 397 without realizing that day cop isn’t normal and at that point, I didn’t read the game at all. So when I saw your where you said day cop isn’t normal and vote

gera

, I was surprised at 1st that why you're not voting

Wiki

because they fake claimed guilty on someone but I also knew there had to be something, so I need to catch up first. But before starting to catch up,

Wiki

was scum to me for that fake claim.

ok, i see we're not getting anywhere because my literal question is "why are they scum for the fakeclaim?" that you keep dodging

also wiki, i'm not trying to convince you. i'm telling you why i find ico town. i currently don't care about convincing you because so far you've thrown all of my arguments away with "datisi is dwlee/ico scumbuddy" and nobody else is voting ico so why should i bother.

[Wiki]

also wiki, i'm not trying to convince you. i'm telling you why i find ico town. i currently don't care about convincing you because so far you've thrown all of my arguments away with "datisi is dwlee/ico scumbuddy" and nobody else is voting ico so why should i bother.

no im waiting for normal reasons, that can be checked true/false.