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[Looker]

Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context.

i'm pretty sure i spoke about this already? like, i know gera is absolutely not going to do shit on day one. and he's going to get shit for it, and he knows it too. the way i generally read him is that if what he's saying makes my eyes roll, he's town. that... didn't, it just made it seem like he found *Something* he can latch onto for day 1 to make sure that townies don't latch onto him as "not solving, not doing anything" etc.

That's a pretty vague litmus test

[Looker]

I mean I just apply my mental tell book to people. And by tell book I mean there's a black box in my brain. But some people that black box has more trouble reading than others, in my experience.

My reasoning is better cause Andres makes too many assumptions about the game state.

So it's nothing that anybody else can see to check for inconsistencies - we just have to trust you pretty much? And what are Andres's assumptions? Did he post them somewhere?

[Datisi]

I get that you're saying you think Andres is town because of it, but I'm asking why. I also read your vote of Dorsey, which is why I'm trying to see what the difference is. One doesn't vote a leading wagon and you vote them (Dorsey), the other doesn't and you commend them (Andres). What's the difference that I'm overlooking?

i... explained why? i think scum!andres has no motivation to say "all these leading wagons are town, let's fucking build a new one!" if he can just bullshit something about voting one of the leading wagons - scum is generally lazy.

i'm not voting dorsey for "not voting the leading wagon". i'm voting them because their newer posts seem to be designed to give an appearance of some sorta effort and scumhunting, but they just feel completely made up and arbitrary, and they need to be forced to explain themselves. it has nothing to do with who they're voting. (well, almost nothing - i have no clue why they're voting a50, but you get it.)

[Dwlee99]

I give reasons, don't worry, Looker. Sometimes. Anyway, andres' assumptions are about how scum would be playing (no bussing I think?) and some other gamestatey things I don't agree with. The conclusion of those assumptions is that dorsey/gera/salsa are all town. I don't agree with the assumptions or the conclusions

[Datisi]

andres, why is salsa town?
dwlee, why is salsa scum?

PoE + she is tonally scummy and is doing some ridiculous ate stuff but when does she not amirite

yes exactly, she is always like that so like
other than poe (which i need to recheck myself because i'm not sure i have a good holistic view of the game rn) i got nothing

Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context.

i'm pretty sure i spoke about this already? like, i know gera is absolutely not going to do shit on day one. and he's going to get shit for it, and he knows it too. the way i generally read him is that if what he's saying makes my eyes roll, he's town. that... didn't, it just made it seem like he found *Something* he can latch onto for day 1 to make sure that townies don't latch onto him as "not solving, not doing anything" etc.

That's a pretty vague litmus test

i mean, my read on gera is 2/2 so far and also not like i have much to work with on day 1

do you have a different opinion on him?

[Looker]

I give reasons, don't worry, Looker. Sometimes. Anyway, andres' assumptions are about how scum would be playing (no bussing I think?) and some other gamestatey things I don't agree with. The conclusion of those assumptions is that dorsey/gera/salsa are all town. I don't agree with the assumptions or the conclusions

Thank you for your help. I really appreciate it.

Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context.

i'm pretty sure i spoke about this already? like, i know gera is absolutely not going to do shit on day one. and he's going to get shit for it, and he knows it too. the way i generally read him is that if what he's saying makes my eyes roll, he's town. that... didn't, it just made it seem like he found *Something* he can latch onto for day 1 to make sure that townies don't latch onto him as "not solving, not doing anything" etc.

That's a pretty vague litmus test

i mean, my read on gera is 2/2 so far and also not like i have much to work with on day 1

do you have a different opinion on him?

Not so much challenging your opinion, but more so acknowledging how difficult it would be to delineate between your town approach and your scum approach since it seems to be based on vibes you can change at any moment depending on what mood you're in (aka rolling your eyes).

[Datisi]

/shrug

you probably won't be able to figure out the colour of my role pm based on my gera read, at least not for now.

[T3]

bad tone on 1349

[T3]

I feel like punishing myself from time to time and logging in.

god, this is a mood.

Because many players can believe that if you never rolled scum before, you would have more chances to get it at last every new time. Just statistics.

the fuck.

Chances are still 50-50.

chances for rolling scum are not 50-50... the fuck, part two.

kinda liking the reaction to wiki's post from datisi

maybe i'm wrong here but you seem to spend an awfull lot of time commenting on datisi vs anyone else this game?

idk
not really

[T3]

Ico votes his townies.
This fact is vital.
You cannot ignore this, otherwise you dont know how to play it.

but please

stop misrepping me

or i'm coming after you until you are dead. period

directly after wiki claims pr though

[Looker]

I get that you're saying you think Andres is town because of it, but I'm asking why. I also read your vote of Dorsey, which is why I'm trying to see what the difference is. One doesn't vote a leading wagon and you vote them (Dorsey), the other doesn't and you commend them (Andres). What's the difference that I'm overlooking?

i... explained why? i think scum!andres has no motivation to say "all these leading wagons are town, let's fucking build a new one!" if he can just bullshit something about voting one of the leading wagons - scum is generally lazy.

i'm not voting dorsey for "not voting the leading wagon". i'm voting them because their newer posts seem to be designed to give an appearance of some sorta effort and scumhunting, but they just feel completely made up and arbitrary, and they need to be forced to explain themselves. it has nothing to do with who they're voting. (well, almost nothing - i have no clue why they're voting a50, but you get it.)

More notes for my ISO

Spoiler: some sorta effort and scumhunting

I'm happy to be here.

VOTE: IOnlyAskWhy

RVS

You all appear to be friends
VOTE: Datisi

No, I just don't know any other way to get into the game.

I sheep Wiki. You talk too much to be scum.
VOTE: Iconeum

Self-explanatory

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

Because I just figured one of Andres, Ico, or T3. Andres 0 votes on vanity wagon, T3 0 votes on leading wagon 1, Ico 0 votes on leading wagon 2

Having more votecounts would make it easier to follow the bandwagoners. I feel there are several wagons that build up rapidly out of nowhere.

Edit: I voted andres because I could. There's nothing saying he's town and nobody knows anything about the other players so I don't see the issue with voting and gauging reactions. I feel it would be different if I was putting him in a vulnerable position, like close to elimination or something. Do you disagree or something?

I feel there's scum in each group [Andres/Iconeum/T3], [Three/Salsabil/Dwlee], and [Datisi/Almost50]. I'm just curious as to why some ISO's (e.g, Almost50) are overlooked. It's just a game of spam and subjective rhetoric disguised as logic, which can still be fun, but I don't see the need to church it up. The fact that anyone can be "locktown" is funny.

VOTE: Almost50

Feels Almost50 is overlooked, so votes.

And I felt that, if everybody's getting wagoned, why not those players? Why skip over people? It just seemed very manipulative, as if mafia are pushing wagons but not on their own people, which would make sense.

Like monkey's last posts were videos, but whatever, idrc that much.

[T3]

actually you know what

if you had actually cared about sorting ico, you would've asked about why he decided to vote someone he had a townping on on page three-- i mean who he was so strongly townreading

but you don't actually give a shit, you're just looking for an easy target to attack based on facts and logic without having to actually do anything, right?

oh god

are we finally same allignment again xd

VOTE: Datisi

this is a double standard (sorta)
you're attacking ico for voting his townreads
then datisi asks a question of you and you deflect it and vote him?
STILL TOWN THO

i vote him because he has no reasons to protect ico, but he continues to do it with no explanation at all. zero examples and arguments.

you don't even pause to consider that datisi is whiteknighting? (ftr i don't think datisi is whiteknighting but yeah)

[T3]

Wiki

for the love of whatever deity you worship

you ain't Cyrus are you?

cyrus doesn't use capital letters

[Looker]

i'm not voting dorsey for "not voting the leading wagon". i'm voting them because their newer posts seem to be designed to give an appearance of some sorta effort and scumhunting, but they just feel completely made up and arbitrary, and they need to be forced to explain themselves. it has nothing to do with who they're voting. (well, almost nothing - i have no clue why they're voting a50, but you get it.)

For clarification: Are you voting because you disagree with Dorsey or are you voting because you don't understand Dorsey?

[Datisi]

i'm voting because they give me scumpings and i want them to either properly explain themselves (so i can sort them) or die

[Looker]

Hostile. So you don't disagree, you just want an explanation.

"Scumpings" is such a funny and subjective, albeit useless word.

[Datisi]

dorsey has given us nothing, what can i even disagree with there?

[Datisi]

looker, is this helping you sort me or are you just asking questions to look busy?

[Looker]

How condescending. Clearly I wouldn't waste my time. Feel free to come back later if you have better things to do. I'll continue playing as I see fit. Thank you.

[Datisi]

what opinions did you get from your questions so far?

[Looker]

dorsey has given us nothing, what can i even disagree with there?

If you could rank the players in order of contribution, how would the list go?

[Datisi]

@t3, is there a reason why most of your catchup today is shitting on ico, but you're still voting salsa?

[Looker]

This entire game is about asking meaningless questions to random strangers and forming half-assed opinions. I've also JUST ENTERED IT, lol, why so uptight?

[Datisi]

dorsey has given us nothing, what can i even disagree with there?

If you could rank the players in order of contribution, how would the list go?

vaguely from memory - wiki andres dwlee sel salsa ico three t3 a50 gera dorsey looker

how is this relevant

This entire game is about asking meaningless questions to random strangers and forming half-assed opinions. I've also JUST ENTERED IT, lol, why so uptight?

i am trying to sort you?

[Looker]

Likewise. I feel your list is ad hoc. How is A50, who has posted nothing but jokes and videos, contributing more than geraintm, who has referenced game-specific cases and spoke to meta? And that's if I'm working under the assumption that all lurkers are scum.