Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

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Vote Count 1-9

Samus, return to the correct route immediately.

Dunnstral (2): E. M. M. I., Milk & Mocha
Milk & Mocha (2): Dunnstral, Venus Fly Trap
Wisdom (2): ssbm_Kyouko, MUSHSHAGANA
ssbm_Kyouko (1): Wisdom
Venus Fly Trap (1): Towelie
Gamma Emerald (1); StrangeMatter
MUSHSHAGANA (1): Critter
E. M. M. I. (1): Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, Lady Lambdadelta

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

[E. M. M. I.]

UNVOTE: because I am like at least 20 pages behind and this vote was only for adding pressure.
I am struggling to find a time to get to this game as early as possible and I will keep trying.
Aside from Lady Lambdadelta (Innocent Child) I think Toogeloo is town. That was a read I had few days ago. I think it had something to do with trying to lash out at confirmed town for what they believed in, and I do not think Mafia want to draw the attention like that when it can easily result in an elimination.

[Wisdom]

Rn I feel like my preference is in Wisdom, Critter, EMMI, M&M

As a good friend of mine would say, rule of three, Wisdom who is the scum in this list?

Emmi, duh

[Wisdom]

I was about to quote it and say "and let me guess, you say this yet you'll magically vote any of others and not emmi"

[Wisdom]

I think it had something to do with trying to lash out at confirmed town for what they believed in, and I do not think Mafia want to draw the attention like that when it can easily result in an elimination.

Or that's the point, to make you think that
I know that as scum I would def fight the IC (and I probably have in the past) if it would make me look like my town self

[Venus Fly Trap]

I think Toog's behavior is NAI, but ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

honestly feeling a bit overwhelmed right now, but I did have some things I wanted to talk about if I can find them again

- lilith

[Wisdom]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

[Venus Fly Trap]

@MUSH, can you talk to me about your read on SS?

- lilith

[Venus Fly Trap]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

there is nuance in that post that I do think is lightly town-indicative, she ends by saying that dunn's contradictory stance on his flavor claim vs. toog's is more suspicious than his initial flavor claim which I agree with, but by then multiple people had expressed that point so it's not really a new and original thought. (I think bork said it first.)

so fair point, I actually went back and found one of the posts that I didn't like/that stuck out to me and it was a ssbm post, so I don't think 450 by itself merits a townread anymore

- lilith

[Venus Fly Trap]

Waiting on reads Kyo tick tock tick tock

You scum, mush town, gamma town, nora possibly scumclaimed but nobody else notices these things. Wisdom obstinate, need to review him and toog in iso real quick, as his vote sticking in place feels wrong. However it's not likely you and wisdom are both scum so wrong on at least one of those

Dunnstral idk, I've had vibes he was scum at times but he doesnt feel like he did in isekai and I tracked him to the kill completely by accident there, had no idea he may be scum. I was setting up to Watch him later and he happened to be killing that Night

SM feels like limbait so town. Flytrap is POE scum. Gonna check playerlist for the resr as others in game are escaping me.

last two paragraphs in particular:
- coming off of 450 which seems like she has a scumread on dunn, now she's on the fence about him and seems like she's giving excuses to townread him which I don't get
- what about SM feels like limbait and why does that make him town?
- if you're POEing us as scum, that should mean you have a townread on most if not all of the remaining players, otherwise how are you POEing down to our slot. but she doesn't have a townread on the other players because she doesn't remember who they are and has to check the playerlist. so that feels like a really "easy" read to make. and why not the same stance on EMMI? is she townreading EMMI at that point that would differentiate her view on EMMI vs our slot? but no, she doesn't have any read on EMMI. that makes me think the whole readslist is made up on the fly.

- lilith

[Gamma Emerald]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

Is that a direct reason you think kyouko is scum? Because I think that’s not exactly a scumtell in isolation

[Critter]

This day has gone on far far too long

VOTE: Kyo

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Waiting on reads Kyo tick tock tick tock

You scum, mush town, gamma town, nora possibly scumclaimed but nobody else notices these things. Wisdom obstinate, need to review him and toog in iso real quick, as his vote sticking in place feels wrong. However it's not likely you and wisdom are both scum so wrong on at least one of those

Dunnstral idk, I've had vibes he was scum at times but he doesnt feel like he did in isekai and I tracked him to the kill completely by accident there, had no idea he may be scum. I was setting up to Watch him later and he happened to be killing that Night

SM feels like limbait so town. Flytrap is POE scum. Gonna check playerlist for the resr as others in game are escaping me.

last two paragraphs in particular:
- coming off of 450 which seems like she has a scumread on dunn, now she's on the fence about him and seems like she's giving excuses to townread him which I don't get
- what about SM feels like limbait and why does that make him town?
- if you're POEing us as scum, that should mean you have a townread on most if not all of the remaining players, otherwise how are you POEing down to our slot. but she doesn't have a townread on the other players because she doesn't remember who they are and has to check the playerlist. so that feels like a really "easy" read to make. and why not the same stance on EMMI? is she townreading EMMI at that point that would differentiate her view on EMMI vs our slot? but no, she doesn't have any read on EMMI. that makes me think the whole readslist is made up on the fly.

- lilith

SM seems like a noob and doesn't seem like scum to me. Noobscum tend to be easy to catch so since they're not, for lack of a better term, obvscumming, it seems more likely than not they're just town and would be an easy mislim. Being an easy town mislim makes them limbait. It's because they don't seem like scum that they are limbait, not that they are town because they are limbait.
Easy doesn't make it wrong, and you're either misrepping my stance on EMMI or not fully caught up yet. I believe that around that time I'd seen maybe a few posts from EMMI, and the most recent one, 420 pinged me, but I was waiting the IRL day for it to provide what it had promised. It has not since done so and imo is most likely to flip scum at this point. And yes, this readslist was made (not made up) on the fly and posted at 2am less than 24 hours after I replaced in, so yes, it looks like shit. They're all my opinions at that point in time though.

I actually find it kinda sus that there are now 3 people insinuating that I wouldn't vote EMMI so I'd invite them all (VFT, Wisdom, and Critter) to join me there and we can find out which one(s) lack the conviction to bus their buddy.

VOTE: EMMI

Went back to check and it had been literally less than 8 hours since I replaced in (and I'd played Destiny most of the night) so fuck off with that

[Wisdom]

ssbm echoed a lot of my thoughts on the dunnstral/LLD situation in 450 so I'm (very) lightly townreading that slot overall

Id agree with you if she tried to convince LLD Dunn is town. But while she tells her that her points are wrong she then proceeds to scumread Dunn for other points. So the motivation is not to dissipate the tvt

Is that a direct reason you think kyouko is scum? Because I think that’s not exactly a scumtell in isolation

yes both Kyouko and Toog have been scummy and Ive been pushing them forever

[Wisdom]

also lol at last kyouko's post

Please lim that

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay but like, how does debating with the IC like that serve a scum agenda
And I’m probably not gonna listen to anything that has the word “look” or “appear” in it

[Wisdom]

already answered that

[Gamma Emerald]

Point me to it then?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

also lol at last kyouko's post

Please lim that

Do you SR EMMI?

[Wisdom]

Leaving a poe of {Emmi, Venus, SS, SM, Kyouko}

Why are Kyouko S_S Emmi and Venus town again?
Surely to have that poe youre townreading them

Fix it by voting kyouko s_s or emmi

Emmi is my last favorite vote of the bunch because id rather lim skilled scum but if it happens ill join

Rn I feel like my preference is in Wisdom, Critter, EMMI, M&M

As a good friend of mine would say, rule of three, Wisdom who is the scum in this list?

Emmi, duh

[Something_Smart]

Dunn's opening I already attempted to parse, back when there wasn't much else to look at. I didn't really verbalize any of my thoughts, mostly because I didn't think they were useful.

I think that it's highly likely code red is his real flavor or his fakeclaim flavor. Based on the public information of the game, it being a scum flavor doesn't make sense. I have a hard time understanding why he chose to reveal his flavor, but it's Dunn, so I trust that he did have a good reason for it. I have some theories that I think are better left unsaid?

[Wisdom]

S_S continues stating obvious things and being scum

[MUSHSHAGANA]

@MUSH, can you talk to me about your read on SS?

- lilith

Thoughts are insufficient data. I literally woke up, ran down the stairs and went to the bank so I need some time to get my bearings. Best recollection is I don’t have enough to go on, though, which makes me want to squish it.

I’ll ISO and get my brain spinning while I eat.

[Something_Smart]

If by "Kyo's replace in" Critter meant 421, I already talked about that as well, but rereading it I do additionally think ssbm/Dunn is unlikely.

Neither of those things really gave me much. But I should be able to poke around and find some things to get me into the game today.

[Something_Smart]

S_S continues stating obvious things and being scum

That was a direct response to Critter, what did you want me to say