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[Wisdom]

Fine I'll accept she got it mixed up

[Wisdom]

I mean dwlee flip will enlighten us about Nancy anyway so I dont need to worry about it

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

There is because like Gamma said you then talked about D7, as if your role didnt allow you to check each night (which is how I originally imagined your role worked too)
But apparently you are insisting now that you can check every night

I can check 3 times on any night but don’t get results until the following night. I think Critter explained it well.

[Wisdom]

ok
Back to liming dwlee
The only thing I want before that is Cakez to tell me if Pooky "inno" is still valid with a gf presence

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

I mean dwlee flip will enlighten us about Nancy anyway so I dont need to worry about it

I was recently scum and I never faked any guilties. I have never faked a guilty. My message told me my N1 target Dweelee, is a member of team Rocket , so unless there’s something unaccounted for in the setup to explain it or mod error, they should flip scum.

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

I mean dwlee flip will enlighten us about Nancy anyway so I dont need to worry about it

I don’t know why you’re suddenly even doubting me. Do you remember the first run of Gameshow when I used the word “we” to refer to scum? Both you and RC accused me of scumslipping but it’s just my dyslexia. I was town in that.

[Wisdom]

My message told me my N1 target Dweelee, is a member of team Rocket , so unless there’s something unaccounted for in the setup to explain it or mod error, they should flip scum.

Did it say "dwlee" in the message or just "your n1 target"?

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

My message told me my N1 target Dweelee, is a member of team Rocket , so unless there’s something unaccounted for in the setup to explain it or mod error, they should flip scum.

Did it say "dwlee" in the message or just "your n1 target"?

N1 target but that was Dweele, so what’s your point?

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

I mean dwlee flip will enlighten us about Nancy anyway so I dont need to worry about it

I don’t know why you’re suddenly even doubting me. Do you remember the first run of Gameshow when I used the word “we” to refer to scum? Both you and RC accused me of scumslipping but it’s just my dyslexia. I was town in that.

Do you not remember this or do I need to find you the quote?

[imaginality]

Well please wait to hear from Milobird before any action.

On that note I want DKKoba posting today, too; we shouldn't end the day before they've chimed in here.

What about meee? You forgot meee.


On the bus driver discussion, this misses the point:

No one knew I could cop check and no one knew I would target Dwlee.

If there is a bus driver who targeted your target they could have done so for any number of reasons.

That said, I agree with mastina:

Spoiler: mastina

VOTE: Dwlee99

(For the record: I'm not

sure

Dwlee is scum here, obviously, but between Gamma claiming that the rolestop I got N1 is his, not Dwlee's, Dwlee claiming a rolestop variant that I did not get, and the guilty claim, I genuinely believe that just on policy, we need to eliminate Dwlee. Dwlee's not lockscum but for Dwlee to be town requires a series of events that are incredibly unfortunate and unlikely. Two rolestoppers both in the game with different modifiers, targeting me, on top of a third player evolving into a rolestopper, on top of whatever would cause a wrong result from the investigation on Dwlee. It's not impossible and if Dwlee flips town we'll know that it did in fact happen in spite of how incredibly improbable they were, but by following Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is Dwlee as scum and anything other than Dwlee-scum is less simple.)

The combination of Dwlee targeting mastina after another rolestopper did the same, plus someone bussing Dwlee so TIL's result was wrong, doesn't seem likely.
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say 'incredibly improbable'. For one thing, with multiple investigative roles it doesn't seem a stretch to imagine there being a bus driver in this game and I remember Dwlee was under some suspicion end of D1 so if Dwlee is town it wouldn't have been a bad idea for scum to bus and hope to frame Dwlee. I just don't think that's

as likely

as Dwlee being scum.

I am kinda interested in hearing the clarification mastina sought about whether she'd get the full power with all conditions. Just because I don't see the scum motive for Dwlee to lie about only being able to target scum if they knew it wouldn't match what mastina got.

But TIL's result is enough to justify us limming Dwlee here even without that clarification, I think.

VOTE: Dwlee99

On Critter/TIL:

Faking a gated investigative role in this game, in general, doesn't seem as risky/foolish as it would be in most games. Perhaps especially as it seems like there are multiple gated investigative roles and multiple blocking type roles.
(a guessing game who's the lying nerfed cop among say four variously nerfed investigative roles is less risky than who's the lying cop among two normal cops).

That said, while I intensely dislike their aggro arrogant play style I don't think TIL is lying in this situation. 1 for 1 seems a bad trade for scum and it is 1 for 1 here because if Dwlee flips town I don't think the hypothetical bus driver theories would be enough to save TIL from being limmed tomorrow.

I think multiple scum are among Dwlee, Titus, and Milobird.

Over the next day I'm going to focus on trying to get a read on the following players cos I currently have no idea about them all and I think if there's scum not in the above three it's among these:

KTT, chowchow, WhemeStar

To varying degrees I lean town on everyone else.

[Wisdom]

I mean dwlee flip will enlighten us about Nancy anyway so I dont need to worry about it

I don’t know why you’re suddenly even doubting me. Do you remember the first run of Gameshow when I used the word “we” to refer to scum? Both you and RC accused me of scumslipping but it’s just my dyslexia. I was town in that.

Do you not remember this or do I need to find you the quote?

I went and checked because I had no recollection I played in a game called "gameshow" and that apparently was because it got rerolled in like 5 pages
But neither I nor RC was serious about your "scumslip" in that game

[Wisdom]

I think multiple scum are among Dwlee, Titus, and Milobird.

Over the next day I'm going to focus on trying to get a read on the following players cos I currently have no idea about them all and I think if there's scum not in the above three it's among these:

KTT, chowchow, WhemeStar

To varying degrees I lean town on everyone else.

This is a good pool
I remember I had Wheme as town but I dont remember why

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

Subject: Gameshow Mafia ~Rerolling~

scum had minimal info in selecting it, which was the goal

Yes but

we

did have some

in my old days id probably call this a scumslip

Well I looked up the quote anyway.

[Wisdom]

Yea that was me recognising it's probably not a scumslip and that I've evolved from my old self who would blindly push it

[Wisdom]

My message told me my N1 target Dweelee, is a member of team Rocket , so unless there’s something unaccounted for in the setup to explain it or mod error, they should flip scum.

Did it say "dwlee" in the message or just "your n1 target"?

N1 target but that was Dweele, so what’s your point?

Also I just asked this because I remembered a game where a gunsmith got a guilty on me by name, and left me no space to argue about redirection
So was just checking

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

Well please wait to hear from Milobird before any action.

On that note I want DKKoba posting today, too; we shouldn't end the day before they've chimed in here.

What about meee? You forgot meee.


On the bus driver discussion, this misses the point:

No one knew I could cop check and no one knew I would target Dwlee.

If there is a bus driver who targeted your target they could have done so for any number of reasons.

That said, I agree with mastina:

Spoiler: mastina

VOTE: Dwlee99

(For the record: I'm not

sure

Dwlee is scum here, obviously, but between Gamma claiming that the rolestop I got N1 is his, not Dwlee's, Dwlee claiming a rolestop variant that I did not get, and the guilty claim, I genuinely believe that just on policy, we need to eliminate Dwlee. Dwlee's not lockscum but for Dwlee to be town requires a series of events that are incredibly unfortunate and unlikely. Two rolestoppers both in the game with different modifiers, targeting me, on top of a third player evolving into a rolestopper, on top of whatever would cause a wrong result from the investigation on Dwlee. It's not impossible and if Dwlee flips town we'll know that it did in fact happen in spite of how incredibly improbable they were, but by following Occam's Razor, the simplest explanation is Dwlee as scum and anything other than Dwlee-scum is less simple.)

The combination of Dwlee targeting mastina after another rolestopper did the same, plus someone bussing Dwlee so TIL's result was wrong, doesn't seem likely.
I don't know if I'd go as far as to say 'incredibly improbable'. For one thing, with multiple investigative roles it doesn't seem a stretch to imagine there being a bus driver in this game and I remember Dwlee was under some suspicion end of D1 so if Dwlee is town it wouldn't have been a bad idea for scum to bus and hope to frame Dwlee. I just don't think that's

as likely

as Dwlee being scum.

I am kinda interested in hearing the clarification mastina sought about whether she'd get the full power with all conditions. Just because I don't see the scum motive for Dwlee to lie about only being able to target scum if they knew it wouldn't match what mastina got.

But TIL's result is enough to justify us limming Dwlee here even without that clarification, I think.

VOTE: Dwlee99

On Critter/TIL:

Faking a gated investigative role in this game, in general, doesn't seem as risky/foolish as it would be in most games. Perhaps especially as it seems like there are multiple gated investigative roles and multiple blocking type roles.
(a guessing game who's the lying nerfed cop among say four variously nerfed investigative roles is less risky than who's the lying cop among two normal cops).

That said, while I intensely dislike their aggro arrogant play style I don't think TIL is lying in this situation. 1 for 1 seems a bad trade for scum and it is 1 for 1 here because if Dwlee flips town I don't think the hypothetical bus driver theories would be enough to save TIL from being limmed tomorrow.

I think multiple scum are among Dwlee, Titus, and Milobird.

Over the next day I'm going to focus on trying to get a read on the following players cos I currently have no idea about them all and I think if there's scum not in the above three it's among these:

KTT, chowchow, WhemeStar

To varying degrees I lean town on everyone else.

Yeah, I think I lost my Titus tr when she tried to manage me and Critter, which would autospew you town, if she flips scum.

I don’t understand your Milo read however. I was suss on them D1 but I liked them yesterday.

~I

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

My message told me my N1 target Dweelee, is a member of team Rocket , so unless there’s something unaccounted for in the setup to explain it or mod error, they should flip scum.

Did it say "dwlee" in the message or just "your n1 target"?

N1 target but that was Dweele, so what’s your point?

Also I just asked this because I remembered a game where a gunsmith got a guilty on me by name, and left me no space to argue about redirection
So was just checking

That’s a really good take. Yeah N1 target is clearer. In Labrynth I was redirected but I was a loud jk in that so obviously different.

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

Let’s hope Dwelee flips gf, then I can locktown Critter.

[Wisdom]

How can dwlee flip gf if you got a guilty on them

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

How can dwlee flip gf if you got a guilty on them

Yeah you’re right he can’t. I would have gotten a false inno in that case. So, then it’s only conditional until we lim gf.

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

How can dwlee flip gf if you got a guilty on them

Yeah you’re right he can’t. I would have gotten a false inno in that case. So, then it’s only conditional until we lim gf.

They. Until gf is flipped I get hard guilties and only conditional innos.

[Wisdom]

Just because I don't see the scum motive for Dwlee to lie about only being able to target scum if they knew it wouldn't match what mastina got.

tbh that's a good point

[Wisdom]

Okay and your result? That I visited mastina N1 and didn't go anywhere last night or?

Why didnt you go anywhere last night again?

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

I was told your N1 target is aligned with Team Rocket and that of course was Dwelee. I think I’ve played enough games with them now to be able to decently meta read them now and I felt they were different here from FFIV and when Koba called them scum, I thought they sounded very similar to the King’s Robes game where they were scum and my result confirmed it.

[Truth Innuendos Lies]

Okay and your result? That I visited mastina N1 and didn't go anywhere last night or?

Why didnt you go anywhere last night again?

We have no confirmation of Dwelee visiting Mastina but we do have confirmation of Gamma visiting her. so both are lockclear for this.