Newbie 2081 | Game Over

Greeting · Post Post #400 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:03 am

I just noticed that Azumarill's eyes in MegAzumarill's avatar are slightly moving. That's so creepy.

Greeting · Post Post #401 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:04 am

In post 399, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Roles don't typically get feedback when they act, unless they are investigative. So if you're a roleblocker, you won't know whether or not you succeeded in roleblocking someone or not. Obviously if you were a doctor and you protect someone who dies then that's cause for concern, but if they don't die then you won't be sure if they were attacked, or if you were stopped in some way, or if they simply weren't attacked.

Tracker and JK are investigative, so there is a 100% chance we have an investigative role in the game.

Greeting · Post Post #402 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:07 am

No, wait JK is not investigative. Never mind.

kennyk · Post Post #403 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 5:12 am

In post 395, hops wrote:If we're in a setup with a JK, then whoever JK had roleblocked is basically confirmed town, right?

Yes, that is true. We had a nightkill. So the JK didn't target the only scum player. The JK target is confirmed town.

So if there is a JK he didn't target catboi (who would be alive if he had been) and our remaining scum. The JK might have targeted our FN (as no one claimed to have gotten a message). Or it was one of the other 5 players.

If we were in the JK/FN setup and our JK didn't target the FN we would end up with three confirmed townies. That are slightly too few to ride this game home.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #404 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:55 am

Does anyone have a reason we shouldn't eat the Taco?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #405 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 10:57 am

If i am wrong you can lim me tomorrow for having bad reads.

Greeting · Post Post #406 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:26 am

In post 404, MegAzumarill wrote:Does anyone have a reason we shouldn't eat the Taco?

I said mine in 370. It's not that I think he should fly under the radar. It's just that others are more suspicious and, in my opinion, should go first.

Binatog13 · Post Post #407 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:41 am

In post 399, Jake The Wolfie wrote:Roles don't typically get feedback when they act, unless they are investigative. So if you're a roleblocker, you won't know whether or not you succeeded in roleblocking someone or not. Obviously if you were a doctor and you protect someone who dies then that's cause for concern, but if they don't die then you won't be sure if they were attacked, or if you were stopped in some way, or if they simply weren't attacked.

Oh never been these roles so thanks for the info

MegAzumarill · Post Post #408 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:40 pm

Alright but I don't find you reasons for voting kenny all that reasonable. Their day 1 was pretty townie.

If you don't think the Taco is scum for a specific reason say so, and if not you should sheep me.

DaTacoX · Post Post #409 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:02 pm

In post 408, MegAzumarill wrote:Alright but I don't find you reasons for voting kenny all that reasonable. Their day 1 was pretty townie.

If you don't think the Taco is scum for a specific reason say so, and if not you should sheep me.

I could be wrong but have you given an actual reason for voting me yet? I assume it's because I pushed for Binatog right?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #410 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:14 pm

Stop the Presses!

I have realized a crucial detail. Especially since noone claims FN messages last night.

If there is a Doctor. Claim now. I assure you it is neccesary.
If there is not we continue as normal.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #411 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:47 pm

Please know I would never ask this of a PR unless it is objectively better to do so.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #412 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:49 pm

This strategy would involve my death so if I am lying scum town still wins.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #413 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:49 pm

If I am town I would not lie that this is better than staying hidden.

hops · Post Post #414 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:01 pm

Could you elaborate why you would want a doctor to claim?

MegAzumarill · Post Post #415 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 2:59 pm

Nope, but I assure you it is life or death

MegAzumarill · Post Post #416 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:00 pm

Basically if doctor claims we have a >95% chance of winning the game, but we don't lose a lot if it falls in the 5%.

midwaybear · Post Post #417 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 3:10 pm

Vote count 2.02

It is Day 2!
With 7 votes, it takes 4 to eliminate. Day 2 ends in (expired on 2021-10-31 18:30:00)

VC

kennyk [2]:

Greeting, hops

DaTacoX [1]:

MegAzumarill

Binatog13 [1]:

DaTacoX

Not Voting [3]:

Binatog13, kennyk, Jake The Wolfie

Mod Notes

hops · Post Post #418 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:09 pm

Sure, why not? I'm the doctor, so we have a tracker/doctor setup. If this doesn't work out the scum still has to choose between NKing me or finding the tracker before they're caught.

kennyk · Post Post #419 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:16 pm

In general I have my doubts about the only protective role in the game to claim without being on a wagon. And I asked myself why Meg so much wanted the doc to reveal him- or in this case herself.

With the things said, I can only come to the following solution: Meg is the tracker. And they have a plan that could work. They visited someone last night that didn't do anything so that someone didn't kill catboi and therefor is town. From the ISO of Meg I guess it was me (posts 367, 368 and 408) but I could be wrong there. So now with hops as the doc, Meg knows three townies and is unsure of the four others.

Let's say we miselim today, hops should protect Meg and meg tracks whoever. Hops is likely to be NKed. That leaves Meg, me (or the other person Meg tracked N1), the person Meg tracks N2 and two other people. If the person Meg tracked had any night action, it is scum, if not it is town. And with three known townies versus two unknown, it is an easy game.

The 5 % missing in this watertight plan were there (if I deduct correctly) for the rare case Meg tracked the doc and the doc didn't post a night choice.

If Meg doesn't correct me, I am very much willing to proceed according to this plan. Even if it means that they didn't track me N1 and I am one of the townies eliminated. Every townie wins if scum is eliminated, no matter if one is alive in the end or not.

kennyk · Post Post #420 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:18 pm

Oh, I forgot something.

To go with the plan, I need to vote.

VOTE: DaTacoX

Sorry, Taco, it is nothing personal, but even if you are town, I have to do it.

kennyk · Post Post #421 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 7:54 pm

I have had some more thought on Megs play.

First I now really think he tracked me. In hindsight this very much looks like a hint about who he wanted to track N1:

In post 344, MegAzumarill wrote:If i die tonight I'd like to say that I think kenny is town.

And now I have another theory of why Megs plan was "only" 95 % sure. They might have thought that they needed four confirmed townies today to make it a win. With greeting hammering the rolecop he is very unlikely to be scum. So unless greeting was playing a very dark strategy there or him being the doc, there are four confirmed townies and it is all game over for scum.

But as i pointed out in my other post, even if greeting was scum or the doc (which he obviously isn't) it all works out.

So unless Meg tells us that my lines of thought are totally wrong and they aren't the tracker, we are on a strategy that will win 100 % and scum may give up right now. And even if Meg isn't the tracker but the real tracker tracked an innocent townie last night it would be game over.

MegAzumarill · Post Post #422 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:09 am

In post 418, hops wrote:Sure, why not? I'm the doctor, so we have a tracker/doctor setup. If this doesn't work out the scum still has to choose between NKing me or finding the tracker before they're caught.

Alright, I'm tracker.

Greeting is VT (didn't visit)

We have a mechanical autowin if I am protected tonight (i can clear one of the unconfirmed VTs/get a guilty) we can eliminate all three other players

MegAzumarill · Post Post #423 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:10 am

We can eliminate all non mechanically clear players.

If scum wants to claim a PR to go down in style you can now or just lose later

kennyk · Post Post #424 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:21 am

In post 422, MegAzumarill wrote:
In post 418, hops wrote:Sure, why not? I'm the doctor, so we have a tracker/doctor setup. If this doesn't work out the scum still has to choose between NKing me or finding the tracker before they're caught.
Alright, I'm tracker.

Greeting is VT (didn't visit)

We have a mechanical autowin if I am protected tonight (i can clear one of the unconfirmed VTs/get a guilty) we can eliminate all three other players

And I really thought your posts meant you visited me. That's some bad reading on my part.

At least I got the rest correct.