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[Andresvmb]

So where does that leave me? Probably somewhere like:

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Dorsey, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, Salsabil Faria, geraintm}
Neutral
{Almost50, Wiki}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

[Dwlee99]

Andres I see you also have too many townreads

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

I'm gonna adjust your reads list with a criteria of my read on them can move them up or down, but not unilaterally (ie, it will average our reads)

[Dorsey]

Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.

[Dwlee99]

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, geraintm, Wiki, Dorsey}
Neutral
{Almost50, Salsabil Faria}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

?

[Andresvmb]

Andres I see you also have too many townreads

Yeah. It’s a problem.

I would say I trust that tier of Lean Town. Everyone else could be Scum. I’m expressing positive leans in other places because I see some positive pushes, or I’m getting some good vibes. I wanted to more strongly TR Three, but they did vote Dorsey there and I’m fairly sure Dorsey is Town (and I also have Salsa as a positive Lean).

I think it’s way too early to really put 4 SRs out there and pretend I have an excellent sense of what the Scum Team is. I don’t. I’m hoping we can clear some players through association/mechanics in future days.

[Andresvmb]

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, geraintm, Wiki, Dorsey}
Neutral
{Almost50, Salsabil Faria}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

?

You should place me somewhere.

[Dwlee99]

You're at the top

Why am I one of your top townreads again? Wasn't there something about me being sus for too strong emotions?

[Andresvmb]

Lean Town
{Selynee, Dwlee99, Iconeum}
Slight Lean Town
{Three, geraintm, Wiki, Dorsey}
Neutral
{Almost50, Salsabil Faria}
Slight Lean Scum
{T3, Datisi}
Lean Scum
{ }
Uncertain
{Looker [Gamma Emerald]}

?

You should place me somewhere.

But yeah otherwise I can see why you’re downgrading in some places and upgrading in others.

[Andresvmb]

You're at the top

Why am I one of your top townreads again? Wasn't there something about me being sus for too strong emotions?

I’m not completely discounting what I said previously. I just think that on balance, my argument is weak. I would typically TR the way you’ve approached the day. I don’t think you’re trying to coast. You’re re-evaluating. It would be disingenuous for me to argue that I think overall it points to you being Scum.

I also think there’s too many attempts from certain players to pocket you in a way or divert your attention away from them. T3 has hard locked you as Town early in the game. Datisi said they’re vibing very well with you. Ico agreed with the TR of your slot. Not only are all those slots probably not all Scum, but since I think some of them are actually suspicious, it points to the Scum Team deciding pushing you is a bad strategy D1.

[Salsabil Faria]

My bad...

VOTE: Looker

Welcome in the shit show

[Andresvmb]

Not to mention that Three has you as a top TR @DW.

Chances are, my suspicion was way off, and the Scum are knowingly avoiding you. It’s part of the reason I TR Selynee actually (they’ve expressed misgivings of your slot). It’s the sort of thing that would be a total waste coming from Scum.

[Dwlee99]

I have a feeling about something

[Dwlee99]

But I don't want to disclose it

[Salsabil Faria]

And "who do you propose to vote instead?" usually means "Who do you think we should elim" not "I'll vote whomever you say"

@Three

, this is the 1st post of mine you misinterpreted...
Thanks

Sely

!

This isn't even your post? This is blatant gaslighting.

Everybody, please vote this scum out of here, holy shit.

I don't see the obvious A50 town thing ico.

okay, so sell me on scum!A50? i don't see it

In my pervious games with them, they were more active as town. I don’t have scum meta on them though but they're lurking for some reason and the self vote is weird.

Meh, I think they don't really enjoy this game. Seemed like they were looking for some reactions to their self-vote, though not pushing a lot there...

Hmm can be, who do you propose to vote instead?

This feels pretty scum indicative. I don't know how you could be so lost on who to vote for that you need someone to tell you who to vote.

VOTE: Salsa

[Dwlee99]

Actually maybe, okay I think Andres is very town here. I'm not reconsidering that slot ever. If there's a cop guilty I am limming the cop claim first at this point

[Salsabil Faria]

Btw, I think

T3

is town for the quick wagon formation on them but I'm not confident also.

[Salsabil Faria]

Actually maybe, okay I think Andres is very town here. I'm not reconsidering that slot ever. If there's a cop guilty I am limming the cop claim first at this point

Who claimed? Beside

Wiki

I mean...

[Dwlee99]

No one

[Looker]

me being run up is usually town indicative

So the options are you have a wagon and you're town or you have no wagon and you're scum?

wiki

if there are multiple people telling you that your read of gera is nonsense and that he literally always acts like this as town too, can you stop with your bullshit spam pushing what is essentially a policy and at least pretend to be a team player? because if anyone here is getting policied, it's gonna be you.

I disagree - I'm not policy voting Wiki. I like that he's passionate about his ideas, and I don't see how he's any different than the rest of you. It's super easy to scroll past his posts if you don't want them.

Every time I open my mouth I get attacked anyway.

- lurks for the majority of the game
- in the rare times they post, they're throwing out nonsense reads
- ignoring any and all questions to actually explain what they're thinking
- surprised they're getting shit???

• A50
• Everyone
• Inaccurate exaggeration - questions were answered, but not to your perceivable liking. I feel you didn't press for info, kind of how you did with Three (see 1650 below), because you wanted to use the inexperience to pull a miselim
  
• Yes

Spoiler: Post 1650

SCUM LEAN

Datisi- He made a lot of bad faith arguments with me and was more preoccupied with winning the argument rather than actually trying to solve my alignment. His interactions with Looker were also highly suspect, he seemed frazzled over some slight grilling and I just got bad vibes from it.

looker has waaaaaay higher wim than i remember scum him having

mind elaborating? it feels to me like his contribution so far is just going with the flow and taking weak potshots, while the only game i've seen looker in (that granted, was almost two years ago) they were town and had like, takes.

i'd go check if i am right on them playing like that in that past game, but for now i don't feel like going back to the shitfest that that game was

How is challenging the two leading wagons going with the flow? How is questioning yourself and Dwlee99, both of whom have had limited heat, going with the flow? Re:"weak potshots" - with what specifically do you disagree? If I knew I could use a reference to justify myself, I'd do it - I don't think you believe you can find anything in that game and that you're just bluffing like you did with asking Andres about his T3 wagon invite.

Spoiler: More bluff

t3 is being weird and opportunistic-y and i'm still trying to figure out how to read him

@Datisi can you update this take? This is the last time you expressed a read on T3. And you’ve only asked a single question there after that as far as I can tell.

no

the only two times i read t3 correctly was when he made a meta case that involved reading three games, and when i had solved literally every other slot in the game and he was (quite literally) poe.

i think the better way to read him is with flips and via associates, because i've blundered his alignment way too hard too many times to be able to make any solid call on d1.

likewise, i don't townread him, so if you wanna start a push there, by all means i won't stand in your way, it might be useful info later after all. but i'm far from convined.

and to answer looker's shade i saw, no, i wasn't planning on voting t3 when i made that post

.

i'm vibing with dwlee and that slightly scares me

wiki makes me regret being the one to get "you cannot use scripts to ignore another person in the game" to become a site rule

see y'all later

Vibing how? Is this one of your mood-based assessments that I asked about earlier?

Spoiler: Eyeroll litmus test

Like I said, I didn't really like that vote on gera cuz it felt a bit...too easy, I guess. Like yes, his answer that they are parking the vote there after a pretty obvious fake claim was weird but didn't seem to consider what would be the motivation for maf!gera there to say that in that context.

i'm pretty sure i spoke about this already? like, i know gera is absolutely not going to do shit on day one. and he's going to get shit for it, and he knows it too. the way i generally read him is that if what he's saying makes my eyes roll, he's town. that... didn't, it just made it seem like he found *Something* he can latch onto for day 1 to make sure that townies don't latch onto him as "not solving, not doing anything" etc.

That's a pretty vague litmus test

i mean, my read on gera is 2/2 so far and also not like i have much to work with on day 1

do you have a different opinion on him?

Not so much challenging your opinion, but more so acknowledging how difficult it would be to delineate between your town approach and your scum approach since it seems to be based on vibes you can change at any moment depending on what mood you're in (aka rolling your eyes).

you don't even pause to consider that datisi is whiteknighting? (ftr i don't think datisi is whiteknighting but yeah)

scum!tisi is very, very much capable of getting me misyeeted
scum only need a limited number of misyeets
scum!tisi could have EASILY kept up pressure on me early game and force some mistakes out of me (which i make a ton of, as either allignment), and just punish me.

it makes no sense for scum!tisi to try and keep me alive here, other then *wanting* to play this way which admittedly is actually possible but just unlikely imo

This is some serious friend worship - I question whether it's blinding you. Tell me more about how Datisi is God and can master everything and everyone

Hostile. So you don't disagree, you just want an explanation.

"Scumpings" is such a funny and subjective, albeit useless word.

why are you giving someone crap for pressure on a slot that's doing basicly nothing?

Why are you giving me crap for sorting? Datisi's ass only has room for so many lips

i wanna hop on T3 for my previous post on him, but that wagon just looks gross tbf

do you find anything else about the wagon gross other than dorsey?

Such strong language. Can you more specifically articulate how you feel about it? As in, do you feel the players on it are scum? Do you disagree with their takes? Which ones? This is a text-based game.

@Andres do you honestly like the sheeple you have with you?

Doesn't dorsey look like a juicy wagon to you?
I'd be down running up Looker as an alternative, what do you think about that?

Would you like to explain? Y/N?

it's fair, dorsey's vote feels gross enough to poison the whole well

what's your shotgun reads looking like right now? i have class in about 3 minutes, but i do wanna solve with you a bit, if only our schedules were lining up >_>

datisi/andres/wiki/dwlee town
gera/sely/three/salsa/a50 exist. Wiki's pressure on gera make me wanna defend gera, but he's null. The others i could probably make a case for either allignment if i wanted to.
T3 i really don't like how he's been poking me without really engaging me, but that's like the full extent of suspicion i have there

i really don't like lookers entry

and i didn't like GE before
Dorsey is so bleh and their T3 vote is very opportunistic i feel - now drawing the 'boohoo look at me everyone's mad at me' card is really unimpressive

i'd love a good wagon on either dorsey or looker here

Is it because I questioned your friend?

on one hand i wanna try out a looker wagon to See What Happens

on the other, i think it's

plainly obvious

dorsey is not gonna be doing shit this game, and we can't have an unsortable slot for long because we have a very limited amount of misyeets, so bringing them to y-1 to force them to talk sounds like a very +town thing regardless of their alignment

decisions, decisions

Plainly obvious? Would it make it better if she said she wasn't reading the game or didn't care?

Spoiler: Plainly obvious

Announcement: I literally stopped reading anything in this game. I intend to reread the whole day at night in light of today's flip. If Scum want to really frustrate me they should be shooting me tonight. I will probably blacklist the whole Scum team if it happens though.

And even then, the condescension. Like what are you people like IRL? This is a game, why are you being snarky and calling people idiots? What's the point?

This is a place where a powerless person can feel power, so don't take it personal. Think of it as Call of Duty, Fortnite, or GTA - it has nothing to do with you or your ideas; you're just easy to run over.

My bad...

VOTE: Looker

Welcome in the shit show

I'd appreciate it a lot more if you actually helped me.

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Sorry, still reading. Wiki posted a lot

[Three]

Not to mention that Three has you as a top TR @DW.

Chances are, my suspicion was way off, and the Scum are knowingly avoiding you. It’s part of the reason I TR Selynee actually (they’ve expressed misgivings of your slot). It’s the sort of thing that would be a total waste coming from Scum.

This is a really good point that I hadn't thought of.

[Three]

I don't regret voting Dorsey even if they're town, it got them to talk and made people re-eval their reads. I really don't like their AtE though, I can see why Andres is town reading it, but to me it reeks of "caught for the wrong reasons". There's a massively bitter tone in their posts and they don't even seem to want to be here, but they're still playing so there's some tonal dissonance here as well.

[T3]

Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.

"0 reason"

[T3]

Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.

"0 reason"

[Three]

Spoiler: Dorsey's Vote Progression

I'm happy to be here.

VOTE: IOnlyAskWhy

You all appear to be friends
VOTE: Datisi

I sheep Wiki. You talk too much to be scum.
VOTE: Iconeum

I don't really get the hostility. I thought this was supposed to be fun.

VOTE: Andresvmb

I feel there's scum in each group [Andres/Iconeum/T3], [Three/Salsabil/Dwlee], and [Datisi/Almost50]. I'm just curious as to why some ISO's (e.g, Almost50) are overlooked. It's just a game of spam and subjective rhetoric disguised as logic, which can still be fun, but I don't see the need to church it up. The fact that anyone can be "locktown" is funny.

VOTE: Almost50

Idc, I'll vote T3. Every time I open my mouth I get attacked anyway.

VOTE: T3

Besides the T3 vote looking like self-preservation, Dorsey seems pretty vote happy despite their low post count, and doesn't have a clear agenda with where they're putting their vote.

Spoiler: A50 Progression

I don't want to vote the monkey. There's no evidence to suggest he's evil, and his personality is preferable.

Reminder for self: Finish reading posts of below players
Andres, Datisi, Gamma, Iconeum, T3, and Wiki

I feel there's scum in each group [Andres/Iconeum/T3], [Three/Salsabil/Dwlee], and [Datisi/Almost50]. I'm just curious as to why some ISO's (e.g, Almost50) are overlooked. It's just a game of spam and subjective rhetoric disguised as logic, which can still be fun, but I don't see the need to church it up. The fact that anyone can be "locktown" is funny.

VOTE: Almost50

Like monkey's last posts were videos, but whatever, idrc that much.

I think this is the only player Dorsey has had a read progression on. Interestingly, they want to eliminate A50 for the very same reason they town read him for earlier.

@Dorsey

can you explain what changed for you here?

Spoiler: Datisi Read

Who should be elimed after u, Dorsey?

Datisi

Why should we wagoon him over gera and a50? Can you expain it?

If you are so sure thst he is the scummiest here, why dont you vote him instead of Andre/T3?

Because you need me dead to believe me and this thread is a mob of rhetoric I wouldn't be too butthurt to leave. Clearly I've stumbled into the wrong place.

If I had the same amount of time as previous games, I could reference posts, but there are too many posts, multiple games, and not enough free time. And then Datisi said he didn't even disagree with me, that he just wanted more, but he's comfortable letting other players slide. And I can understand that if he's scum, but for multiple people not to see the inconsistency but to just go with that. Why would I prolong my stay in that?

Datisi protecting Almost50 and T3, Ico siding with Datisi, everyone thinking Datisi is town for zero reason.

Dorsey's most consistent read, and not one I disagree with. However, a good point is being made: Dorsey isn't voting Datisi, despite making a push here. It's possible this could be distancing, but that's just a pre-flip associative.

@Dorsey

do you want to vote Datisi? I'm willing to vote here regardless of if you are, but I want to know what you're thinking. You're claiming that everyone thinks Datisi is town, but it seems pretty clear that he's been under scrutiny for awhile now.