Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[redtea]

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is pbPA

[redtea]

oh
post-by-post-analysis

basically going "here here here and here is why I think this", usually why they think someone is scum

[NorwegianboyEE]

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

So you saying you think my play is townie but that is something you think is scummy for me?

[redtea]

Nora's post sounds baseless and omgus

[redtea]

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

So you saying you think my play is townie but that is something you think is scummy for me?

Sorta
I thiiiink if you sound towny but relatively sober (not in an alcohol consumption sense), that points towards scum!you

[Tamora's Angel]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

[Noraa]

ok actually i just got home and showered. i'll hopefully be more online tomorrow.

[redtea]

VOTE: Not_Mafia

lmao
why

[Tamora's Angel]

Why not?

[redtea]

didn't have any better ideas or?

[Deimos27]

I did get a bit paranoid by Deimos’s 281, just because it feels a bit pockety how they ascribed me town "for my day 1", without elaborating further. But i’m also not a super fan of Noraa’s instapush so far.

You may notice I also have not elaborated on my TA tr. I find it harder to elaborate on tr's in general because of how much I rely on resonance. But I will do what I can.

On multiple occasions you've chimed in with questions where I've gone "wow that's a good question". One example that really jumps out at me every time I read is when you showed up in twilight asking Noraa if they were aware they placed the hammer vote, which I credit immensely for two reasons:

1. It forces a situation where we know scum!Noraa always lies and town!Noraa always tells the truth so we get an excellent focal point for tonal analysis.

2. In my experience scum likes not to post in twilight when they haven't already established a recent presence in thread because it's just less cognitive load to wait when you know day will end soon anyway than to show up and fake more posts.

Furthermore, though perhaps it is unduly arrogant of me as you may have changed in the last year, I feel that given my experience with scum!you you simply would've said something that pings me more by now.

[Deimos27]

I don't consider the NM vote unreasonable.

[Deimos27]

Waiting on Kop

[Tamora's Angel]

The catch is I have too many townreads among the trying players.

[redtea]

fair enough ig
VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

[Not_Mafia]

Sup

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is that enough to unvote?

[Noraa]

Deimos how familiar are you with A50? Have you played games with them?

A50 is normally pretty chatty and openly suspicious of everyone. That's why I thought he was scum this game especially after the vote on Dorsey (who I thought would flip scum, but even as town, the argument still applies except for the fact that a50 flipped town) I played a couple yeah.

I refuse to believe Dorsey's town flip and will play the rest of the game believing this is a 3 scum set-up

KING

#282 reads like it was ghostwritten by Dorsey

Sexy roast. No it really doesn't and I think it's a pretty reasonable assumption.

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

I said "almost50

nk

" how is this even being twisted into me being surprised that he's pr instead of being surprised he was the NK choice at all.

These posts look so agenda driven it's kind of mindnumbing

That's the exact same thing. I don't really want to spell out the typical behavior of prs for scum but had I not known A50's meta, I would've thought he was a pr instead of scum.

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

So you thought he was PR from yesterday?

No yesterday I was convinced he was scum.

This wagon is super good except I have an issue with one vote. It's ok though. We'll figure out who's scum bussing tomorrow

Can you say what this was, now that we knot it was town?

:3

[Noraa]

Kop can you tell me your reads.

Kop is town.

No thanks.

You explain it please.

Kop asks too many questions when he isn't town. Guessing his scum meta is the im innocent and know nothing game

[Noraa]

Spoiler:

Pray tell why you would assume my comment pertained to the Dorsey flip instead of the almost50 nk, especially given all the context immediately following?

almost was literally almost certainly not vt by tone and the way he was so slippery feeling. i dont see how anyone can look back and be like oh its surprising almost was a pr.

That is not what I was expecting

Well this is scummy. You've had a whole night to process the flip and you're saying Dorsey flipping town is surprising?

I think these posts are actually very interesting cause there's 0 chance anyone else misunderstood me; the context is super obvious. So it tells us Noraa is either confbiasing me or driving a lim on me out of scum agenda.

But they're unlikely to be confbiasing because they expressed a tr on me D1 so it's more likely these posts come from a scum agenda.

Nahhhhhhhh that was a pretty reasonable thing to assume. In hindsight, A50 is not at all a strange kill but I don't think elaborating on that is a good idea at this point in time. I actually dont believe I expressed a TR on you d1. My opinion of my read on you was that it was surface level towny. By no means a TR. Surface level towny and town towny are super different things.

[Noraa]

Oh actually I think it's ok to say why since one of our prs is dead. That means the scum team can just always have the one that cant be tracked kill so it doesn't even benefit them.

Actually it does benefit them since they still want the other pr dead anyways. Mmm no not worth it.

[Noraa]

Why would it be from a scum agenda?
And tbf, i didn’t really know myself whether your first comment was referring to the D1 flip, the nightkill, or both.

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda

because

it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I apparently stand corrected about the level of ambiguity my first post contained but surely you find it weird that Noraa

assumed

one uncharitable interpretation over any other instead of asking, and then proceeded even to somehow misread my follow-up explanation and misinterpret in a different uncharitable way?

Let me sum up your argument for you. "I am town. Therefore SRs on me come from scum"
If you think that as town, thats a bit disappointing. Ftr since we're talking about yesterday, I think your positioning around the Dorsey wagon was pretty scummy. I wanted to say this earlier just felt like it'd look OMGUSy.

Yesterday, you basically started the wagon. But then somehow at the end of the day, it seemed like you were the most against the wagon.
You were looking a lot like stubborn town who needed convincing on scum dorsey.
But with a town flip, it 100% looks like scum not wanting to take any part in a town elimination.
Then you start off this day with a vote on me.

This all looks exactly like what someone who feels extremely guilty would do. Like immediately shift attention to the person who hammered on accident. Which to be honest, my scum game is really fucking good. I dont just lolhammer like that. In fact I'm willing to bet the number of times I've hammered as scum is like less than a fourth the amount I've hammered as town. I always see hammers as the person who is responsible and scum me does not want to take responsibility for shit.

I see you as extremely scummy right now and if you are town, you need to realize that you aren't towny in my eyes and that doesn't make me scum. If we dont get a scum elimination today, tomorrow is elo so if you're town, you need to work with me.

[Noraa]

I have the perception of being fairly townread at the moment and so there is scum motivation to eliminate me (or otherwise sow discord and prevent a townblock from forming that includes me). I could obviously be wrong about being townread, but in any case I also know I am town and that alone is scum motivation to eliminate me.

Furthermore the argument was that it must be scum agenda because it cannot be town-motivated and scum agenda is the only option that remains.

I don't see how it is scum motivation

just

wanting to eliminate you. Dorsey scumread you, and that clearly wasn't scum motivation.

I don't see why scum Norwee defends me here. Norwee have you played any games with me where I was town? (besides the most recent gensoko or whatever it was called)

[Noraa]

Noraa i'm waiting for answers to my questions when you get back.

Answered ~