Newbie 2082 - Game Over


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Newbie 2082 - Game Over

Post Post #0 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:08 am

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Newbie 2082
Moderated by Micc
Back-up Moderated by Datisi

Players:

Val89 MargotRosa
frogsfrogs
Thynhith
StrageMatter pseudoAristotle
igorsprite
Greeting
Andante MafMen (SE)
implosion (SE)
catboi (SE)

SE - indicates a Semi-Experienced player, a player who has played at least two games on MafiaScum.net

Spoiler: Alive
Val89
, a
Vanilla Townie
, survived.
StrangeMatter
, a
Vanilla Townie
, survived.
igorsprite
, a
Town Tracker
, survived.
implosion
, a
Town Jailkeeper
, survived.
catboi
, a
Vanilla Townie
, survived.

Spoiler: Dead
Thynhith
, a
Vanilla Townie
, was eliminated Day 1.
Greeting
, a
Vanilla Townie
, was eliminated Day 2.
Andante
, a
Mafia Goon
, was eliminated Day 3.
frogsfrogs
, a
Mafia Roleblocker
, was eliminated Day 4.

Important Events:

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Post Post #1 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:11 am

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Game Rules


General Rules/Game Etiquette
  1. Obey all Site-wide Rules.
  2. Communication outside the thread (if your role specifically allows it) is allowed until the game begins.
  3. You may not quote private communication of any kind. This includes moderator-supplied information (either real or fabricated) of any kind. Paraphrasing (for role claims, etc.) is acceptable.
  4. There is to be NO personal communication outside of the forum postings unless your role PM specifically allows it.
Activity/Prods/Replacements
  1. Prods of missing players will be issued after 36 hours of no activity.
  2. A prodded player has 24 hours to respond to the prod, after which time a replacement search will begin. The prodded player may re-enter the game so long as no replacement has been found.
  3. A player who has been prodded 3 times is subject to possible replacement without further notice.
  4. If you anticipate being unavailable for more than 36 hours please PM me or post in the thread to declare V/LA.
  5. I reserve the right to force replace players who need extensively long V/LA at my own discretion.
Deadlines
  1. Deadlines for this game will be 10 days for Day 1 and 7 days for following Day Phases. Night Phases will last 48 hours.
  2. Extensions are given only in extreme circumstances.
  3. If you have a role with a Night action your choices are due to me by the posted deadline. If I do not receive your choice via PM by the posted deadline you will forfeit your actions.
Player Actions/Voting/Player Death
  1. A simple majority of all living players must agree on one person (via voting) for an Elimination to occur (simple majority = ½ # of living players +1, rounded down). If no one has a simple majority of votes at deadline a No Elimination will occur.
  2. Votes must be bolded or use the [.vote] tags to be counted (e.g.
    Vote: Player
    or VOTE: Player).
  3. Unvotes are not necessary before changing votes.
  4. You may
    Vote: No Elimination
    - a simple majority of these vote types are required to send the game to Night phase without an Elimination.
  5. Votes made using nicknames or abbreviations will be counted at my discretion. Fake vote gambits should be executed at your own peril. If I think its a vote, then its a vote.
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  2. Any situation not explicitly covered above is subject to my discretion and will be handled as I see fit on a case-by-case basis.
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Post Post #2 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:12 am

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Setup Information

NewD3 (as designed by RadiantCowbells):

ABC
Mafia
Mafia Roleblocker
Mafia Rolecop
Mafia Goon
Row 1
Town Cop and Town Doctor
Town Tracker and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Cop and Vanilla Townie
Row 2
Town Jailkeeper and Town Tracker
Town Jailkeeper and Town Friendly Neighbor
Town Jailkeeper and Vanilla Townie
Row 3
Town Mason and Town Mason
Town Tracker and Town Doctor
Town Mason and Town Mason

Each Newbie Game will be given a setup that incorporates one mafia role from the top of a column, and then two town roles from a row below the selected mafia role.
The remaining six roles will be filled in by
one mafia goon
and
five vanilla townies
appropriately, to create a
2-mafia
and
7-town
setup.

All Newbie games use the Natural Action Resolution system for determining Night action effects.
Mafia Roleblocker
action takes precedence over a
Town Jailkeeper
action should that apply.

Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times.

Spoiler: List of Setups
Column A & Row 1:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Cop, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 2:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Tracker, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column A & Row 3:
Mafia Roleblocker, Mafia Goon, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 1:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 2:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Jailkeeper, Town Friendly Neighbor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column B & Row 3:
Mafia Rolecop, Mafia Goon, Town Tracker, Town Doctor, Vanilla Townie x 5
Column C & Row 1:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Cop, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 2:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Jailkeeper, Vanilla Townie x 6
Column C & Row 3:
Mafia Goon x 2, Town Mason x2, Vanilla Townie x 5

Spoiler: Sample Role PM's
Vanilla TownieWelcome!

You are a
Vanilla Townie
.

You have no special abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town JailkeeperWelcome!

You are a
Town Jailkeeper
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills and be prevented from using their own action, if they have one, during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town CopWelcome!

You are a
Town Cop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed if they are
Town
or
Mafia
. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town MasonWelcome!

You are a
Town Mason
.

You know that PLAYER NAME is Town-aligned. You also share a Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You have no active abilities.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Town TrackerWelcome!

You are a
Town Tracker
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed what player or players they targeted with their action, if any. If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.

Town DoctorWelcome!

You are a
Town Doctor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be protected from kills during that night phase. You cannot target yourself.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Town Friendly NeighborWelcome!

You are a
Town Friendly Neighbor
.

You may target one player per night phase. This player will be sent a message informing them that you are Town-aligned.

You win when all threats to the Town have been eliminated.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment.


Mafia GoonWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Goon
.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a
Mafia Goon/Roleblocker/Rolecop
. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.


Mafia RolecopWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Rolecop
.

You may target one player per night phase. At the end of the night phase, you will be informed of their role but not their alignment.
Vanilla Townies
and
Mafia Goons
will both return "Vanilla". If you are roleblocked, you will receive no result.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a
Mafia Goon
. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.

Mafia RoleblockerWelcome!

You are a
Mafia Roleblocker
.

You may target one player per night. This player will be prevented from performing their own action, if any.

Your partner is PLAYERNAME who is a
Mafia Goon
. Together you share a factional kill each night. You must choose which of you will commit the kill. You also share a factional Private Thread (PT), located here, where you may talk at any time.

You win when the Town has been eliminated, or nothing can stop this from occurring.


The game thread is here.

Confirm by replying with your role name and alignment or by posting in your PT.
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Post Post #3 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:12 am

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Introduction and Tips


Here are some helpful links (a lot of them from our helpful wiki):

-> Forum Rules and Guidelines
-> The Glossary
-> Commonly Used Abbreviations
-> The Newbie Guide
-> Articles on How to Play Well (be sure to check the dates these were written/updated, as good advice changes over time)


Key Concepts and Tips


Activity


Try to check in at least once a day.
Besides the activity requirements listed in the moderator's original post, it's just necessary for a fun and healthy game that everyone
plays
. If you post very rarely, or only post a little bit at a time, you may get scumread for lurking. Even if you are not scumread for it, what's the fun in playing a game where multiple people are hardly participating?

Site Meta

Meta is the description of how people on Mafiascum like to play mafia. Things can be different on other online mafia sites, or if you play IRL, so it's good to know what's expected of you on this site. These aren't "rules", per se, but if you don't follow these guidelines it is likely things will go poorly for you on MS. Some examples are...

Random Voting Stage (RVS)

Games on MafiaScum almost always begin with what we call the Random Voting Stage (RVS). At this point in the game, we are in a low information game state (except the mafia, which know everyone’s alignment). As a way to provoke reaction, start a discussion, and try to determine alignment, people will usually vote for non-serious reasons. As the discussion progresses, we will eventually get the game moving and progress out of RVS.

Voting, E-x, and Hammers

E-x is a way to convey how far away a player is away from elimination. For example, you should always announce that you are putting someone at E-1 (1 vote away from an elimination) so that someone doesn’t come along and accidentally vote for that player's elimination. This also prevents Mafia-aligned players from coming along and placing the final vote to eliminate (“hammer”) and claiming ignorance about doing so. You may also see E-2 and E-3 (2 votes away from elimination and 3 votes away from elimination, respectively).

Before you hammer a player, state your intent to hammer (usually done in bold) and ask the player to claim their role. This is done to prevent power roles from being eliminated, and can sometimes get Mafia-aligned players to be caught (via counter claiming). It's best to then allow other players to react and discuss the claim before hammering.


Claiming Your Role

It is almost always best to not claim your role unless you are at E-1 and have been asked to claim as part of an “intent to hammer.” This is because, as a town power role (“PR”), if you out prematurely, you are likely to be night-killed (“NK’d”). As a Vanilla Townie (“VT”), claiming early helps the mafia team narrow down the setup and possible PR candidates. An exception to this would be if a mafia player claimed your role, claiming early to counter the false claim (“CC”) would out the mafia player, and would be a benefit to the town.

Do not fake claim a power role as town!
While it may help you avoid getting eliminated, you might cause a real PR to out themselves by counterclaiming - then the mafia will know who the PR is, and you will probably get eliminated for lying to town. Feel free to fake a claim as scum, though, if you think it would help.

ELo

ELo is the shortened representation of “Eliminate or Lose.” ELo in the Newbie Queue is when there are 3 remaining players, 2 of which are town and 1 is mafia; or when there are 5 remaining players, 3 of which are town and 2 are mafia. It is important in these situations that the town aligned players do not carelessly vote like is done during RVS or early days, as the mafia player(s) can organize and instantly provide the necessary votes to eliminate (“quickhammer”) and win the game.

Conclusion

Mafia is hard!
As town, it can be hard to figure things out, and stressful when people think you're scum.
That's okay!
Just share your thoughts on who you think is scum as they come to you, and don't be afraid to change your mind. As scum, it can be hard to lie convincingly, and stressful when people think you're scum. Don't let that scare you! Try to think of what you would post if you were town, and don't be afraid to "change your mind".

This is a game.
Have fun!
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Post Post #4 (ISO) » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:50 am

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Role PM's have been sent out. Please confirm using the method described by your Role PM. The game will begin when enough players have confirmed, but no earlier than (expired on 2021-10-26 22:00:00). I will always try to hit my deadline timers exactly on, but tomorrow is particularly busy so no guarantee.

Please send me a PM if you have any questions.
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Post Post #5 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:02 pm

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All players have confirmed.

It is now Day 1.


Votecount 1.00
Not Voting (9) -
MargotRosa, frogsfrogs, Thynhith, pseudoAristotle, igorsprite, Greeting, MafMen, implosion, catboi

With 9 players alive it takes 5 votes to eliminate,

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-11-05 22:05:00).
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Post Post #6 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:08 pm

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Giddy up losers. I refuse to lose my sixth game out of six games. Lets bring this one home
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Post Post #7 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 3:09 pm

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VOTE: Thynhith

For being part of the Masonry team that threw spectacularly last go around
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Post Post #8 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 4:22 pm

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In post 6, MargotRosa wrote:Giddy up losers. I refuse to lose my sixth game out of six games. Lets bring this one home
You town this time? :3

VOTE: implosion
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Post Post #9 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:22 pm

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Greetings!

I don’t like Aristotle and I guess this extends to wannabes/imposters. VOTE: pseudoAristotle
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Post Post #10 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:10 pm

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Hello, friends! I hope we can have a wonderful and pleasant game of mafia.

VOTE: frogsfrogs
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Post Post #11 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 7:22 pm

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egopost
implosion is clearly locktown with his green name
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Post Post #12 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 10:00 pm

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In post 7, MargotRosa wrote:VOTE: Thynhith

For being part of the Masonry team that threw spectacularly last go around
Hey, I deny responsibility for that!
VOTE: Margot for being salty about it ;P
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Post Post #13 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:29 pm

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I'm curious guys, since the L word isn't allowed on this site, are alternatives like hang, execute, etc. allowed?
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Post Post #14 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:31 pm

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In post 13, Thynhith wrote:I'm curious guys, since the L word isn't allowed on this site, are alternatives like hang, execute, etc. allowed?
generally yes
the go to word for this site is elimination, or lim for short
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Post Post #15 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:31 pm

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ie. “lets lim catboi for being a weeb”
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Post Post #16 (ISO) » Tue Oct 26, 2021 11:57 pm

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hi
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Post Post #17 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:58 am

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hey folks. glad I didn't miss too much during the night. I'm going to
VOTE FrogsFrogs
because I think we should kick someone out night one and FrogsFrogs a) is already 1 vote closer to being hammered and b) hasn't said anything yet.

Also want to note that I did a tarot reading for this game last morning as a little bit of fun, I'm not sure if it's proper etiquette to dump a huge wall of text on day one, but here's a link to it. https://pastebin.com/LWGiTnt2. Omens look fairly good for this game, got a couple cards indicating a town victory.
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Post Post #18 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:27 am

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In post 15, MafMen wrote:ie. “lets lim catboi for being a weeb”
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Post Post #19 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 1:50 am

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In post 17, pseudoAristotle wrote:hey folks. glad I didn't miss too much during the night. I'm going to
VOTE FrogsFrogs
because I think we should kick someone out night one and FrogsFrogs a) is already 1 vote closer to being hammered and b) hasn't said anything yet.

Also want to note that I did a tarot reading for this game last morning as a little bit of fun, I'm not sure if it's proper etiquette to dump a huge wall of text on day one, but here's a link to it. https://pastebin.com/LWGiTnt2. Omens look fairly good for this game, got a couple cards indicating a town victory.
a bit early for a lim dont you think?
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Post Post #20 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:11 am

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Hey pseudo, have you played mafia prior to joining this site?
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Post Post #21 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:14 am

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In post 9, Greeting wrote:Greetings!

I don’t like Aristotle and I guess this extends to wannabes/imposters. VOTE: pseudoAristotle
What's your beef with him?
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Post Post #22 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:14 am

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In post 19, MafMen wrote:
In post 17, pseudoAristotle wrote:hey folks. glad I didn't miss too much during the night. I'm going to
VOTE FrogsFrogs
because I think we should kick someone out night one and FrogsFrogs a) is already 1 vote closer to being hammered and b) hasn't said anything yet.

Also want to note that I did a tarot reading for this game last morning as a little bit of fun, I'm not sure if it's proper etiquette to dump a huge wall of text on day one, but here's a link to it. https://pastebin.com/LWGiTnt2. Omens look fairly good for this game, got a couple cards indicating a town victory.
a bit early for a lim dont you think?
Possibly. I was of the understanding that the meta is to vote someone out on the first day essentially at random, and then look at how people behaved during that vote for tells. I don't want to knock Frogs out *right* now before we've had the chance to see how people react to that, but fortunately there's a long way to go before five votes. I feel odd just voting for joke reasons-this game has to move forward somehow after all.
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Post Post #23 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:16 am

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In post 20, Thynhith wrote:Hey pseudo, have you played mafia prior to joining this site?
I have not, I came here after spectating a game on a discord server and I watched a few games on here, but this is my first proper game of long-form mafia.
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Post Post #24 (ISO) » Wed Oct 27, 2021 2:36 am

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In post 22, pseudoAristotle wrote:
In post 19, MafMen wrote:
In post 17, pseudoAristotle wrote:hey folks. glad I didn't miss too much during the night. I'm going to
VOTE FrogsFrogs
because I think we should kick someone out night one and FrogsFrogs a) is already 1 vote closer to being hammered and b) hasn't said anything yet.

Also want to note that I did a tarot reading for this game last morning as a little bit of fun, I'm not sure if it's proper etiquette to dump a huge wall of text on day one, but here's a link to it. https://pastebin.com/LWGiTnt2. Omens look fairly good for this game, got a couple cards indicating a town victory.
a bit early for a lim dont you think?
Possibly. I was of the understanding that the meta is to vote someone out on the first day essentially at random, and then look at how people behaved during that vote for tells. I don't want to knock Frogs out *right* now before we've had the chance to see how people react to that, but fortunately there's a long way to go before five votes. I feel odd just voting for joke reasons-this game has to move forward somehow after all.
understandable
if im gonna wave my SE hat around generally you never want to eliminate someone at random, sure day 1 it’s statistically better than a nolim but youd want to get some reasoning behind that first
and 9 days is a lot longer than it seems lol
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