FFVII Mafia: Over

[Albert B. Rampage]

I will not taking any questions about my role without being in imminent threat of a lynch.

[Albert B. Rampage]

The only person that benefits from me talking about my role is the mafia.

I remember an interesting instance that may tell you more about who I am. It was a large theme that ran earlier this year called Doctor Who mafia. On day 4, I had fake-claimed Doctor Who, a cop with a guilty investigation on some girl who I forget the name. I was a simply vanilla townie, however I knew I could rely on my meta to not get counter-claimed; I have only ever attempted gambits such gambits as town. Never as scum, even up until now.

So the point of this story is that you do not know what my role is, and you do not need to know what my role is. Maybe Cid is somebody else. This does not matter to you. Your questions seem to be a last ditch effort to harvest more data before the deadline falls for you to make an informed killing tonight. As I am at low risk of being slain today, your questions are to be regarded with suspicion.

[Albert B. Rampage]

I mean, I fake-claimed The Doctor.

[Albert B. Rampage]

..and the real Doctor(the main protagonist of the series) did not counter-claim me, either knowing my meta or having it talked about in the thread substantially before coming to a decision to not reveal my deception.

[MrBuddyLee]

So the point of this story is that you do not know what my role is, and you do not need to know what my role is. Maybe Cid is somebody else. This does not matter to you.

unvote, vote: Albert

[Albert B. Rampage]

lol and I'm too damn stubborn for my own good anyway. I won't claim no matter what today.

[CarnCarn]

So the point of this story is that you do not know what my role is, and you do not need to know what my role is. Maybe Cid is somebody else. This does not matter to you. Your questions seem to be a last ditch effort to harvest more data before the deadline falls for you to make an informed killing tonight. As I am at low risk of being slain today, your questions are to be regarded with suspicion.

I don't think you're at low risk; with MBL's vote on you, you're at 5. Theoretically, all it takes is 2 votes for you to be in the lead, with deadline a week away. Right now, if it were deadline day my vote would be for you.
If you don't want to explain yourself any further, fine. That only adds to the list of reasons why I find you scummy.

lol and I'm too damn stubborn for my own good anyway. I won't claim no matter what today.

You fake-claimed and got a townie lynched. Normally, that by itself would merit some explanation. You even said that part of your gambit would be to explain that you lied about your fake-claim. Well, you said you lied and your explanation is that it fits your play-style.
You pursued a LAL strategy on D1 with xtoxm. Your explanation for why it's all of a sudden a bad idea today is that you are obvtown based on your play-style.
I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think it's a good idea to clear someone of doing something wrong simply because they do it all the time.
Even though xtoxm was lying, he eventually provided role and flavor info that strongly suggested he was town. We've yet to see anything from you, and must have known that you would be the biggest suspicion coming into D2. I'm not rolefishing when I ask a player who did something that incredibly confused the town (something scum would love to do), to give some concrete evidence why we should believe they are protown (I've had enough of this meta business, for now).

[CarnCarn]

EBWOP to spare the confusion, if any.

Even though xtoxm was lying, he eventually provided role and flavor info that strongly suggested he was town. We've yet to see anything from you, and

you

must have known that you would be the biggest suspicion coming into D2. I'm not rolefishing when I ask a player who did something that incredibly confused the town (something scum would love to do), to give some concrete evidence why we should believe they are protown (I've had enough of this meta business, for now).

[Albert B. Rampage]

I didn't pursue LAL, I thought Xtoxm was scum.

[armlx]

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think it's a good idea to clear someone of doing something wrong simply because they do it all the time.

Except calling them out on it every time with a lynch results in more lost games. Better to just say "You are a fucking idiot" and leave it at that.

[Yosarian2]

I don't know about everyone else, but I don't think it's a good idea to clear someone of doing something wrong simply because they do it all the time.

Except calling them out on it every time with a lynch results in more lost games. Better to just say "You are a fucking idiot" and leave it at that.

Yeah, but he's not an idiot.

[christiano drago]

The only person that benefits from me talking about my role is the mafia.

I remember an interesting instance that may tell you more about who I am. It was a large theme that ran earlier this year called Doctor Who mafia. On day 4, I had fake-claimed Doctor Who, a cop with a guilty investigation on some girl who I forget the name. I was a simply vanilla townie, however I knew I could rely on my meta to not get counter-claimed; I have only ever attempted gambits such gambits as town. Never as scum, even up until now.

So the point of this story is that you do not know what my role is, and you do not need to know what my role is. Maybe Cid is somebody else. This does not matter to you. Your questions seem to be a last ditch effort to harvest more data before the deadline falls for you to make an informed killing tonight. As I am at low risk of being slain today, your questions are to be regarded with suspicion.

Right ABR, so what you're saying is...

1. You probably haven't made a proper claim about who you are. [ie, you're not Cid]
2. Your gambit proves to those who are aware of you that you are town.

1

worries me. The only reason my vote came off you was because there was no Cid counter claim. If you're not Cid, you're my lynch for today.

2

is dependent on your word... which in this game is worth as much as dog shit right now. So it's almost pointless.

Also you seem to be saying that by talking about your role - youd be helping the mafia. Now to me that seems like an odd statement and here's why...

If the mafia were to read that - they would assume you have a role worth taking out and would kill you [IMO]. Also you have already claimed Cid, and given the lack of counter claim, you are either likely to be handling him or he isn't in the game - No one here thinks he'd have a scum role, so the mafia will likely try and take you out for that reason too.

In fact - the only two reasons I can see you

not

getting NK'ed on Night 2 would be;

1. The Mafia are trying to keep as many suspicious looking townies in the game as possible, for as long as possible.
2. You are in the mafia.
3. Someone protected you.

1

is quite possible, because obviously they'd want to keep you looking shifty for as long as they could if you are drawing votes. But in the long run it's bad news for you because it's going to get you lynched by a suspicious town before long anyway. So my suggestion to you in this case would be to stop acting so damned odd and start providing a few straight answers rather than the latest fevered shite you've been throwing about.

2

is very likely, IMO. Only detracted from by your claim that your gambit only happens when your town [having never played with you means I can't comment] and that no-one has counter claimed Cid. At the end of the day though, the real Cid is likely well aware that he has an obviously Town Aligned character and probably has a role too important to risk on the back of a claim from someone who could well be fishing for his scum-mates.

3

... quite frankly if someone protects you tonight I'll facepalm faster than ever before. You haven't played like someone who needs or deserves it.

All this can be shortened to one quote from you, and my last little blurb though...

So the point of this story is that you do not know what my role is, and you do not need to know what my role is. Maybe Cid is somebody else.

The

ONLY

reason I wasn't voting for you was that you had claimed Cid all to yourself. Now you're saying you might not be Cid.

Unvote.

Vote: Albert B. Rampage.

[CarnCarn]

At the end of the day though, the real Cid is likely well aware that he has an obviously Town Aligned character and probably has a role too important to risk on the back of a claim from someone who could well be fishing for his scum-mates.

+1

[Empking]

I think I agree with ABR, on the rolefishing comments.

[armlx]

At the end of the day though, the real Cid is likely well aware that he has an obviously Town Aligned character and probably has a role too important to risk on the back of a claim from someone who could well be fishing for his scum-mates.

+1

Again, haven't we already discussed how role important in video game != role importance in mafia game in a well designed theme?

[christiano drago]

All the four that have died so far have had roles fitting the video game - so either that discussion came away with the conclusion that the game here was structured similarly, or the conversation came away with the wrong idea.

[CarnCarn]

Again, haven't we already discussed how role important in video game != role importance in mafia game in a well designed theme?

Yes, but I think perhaps the wrong conclusion was reached. I agree with cd that the lynch and NKs showed that role important in game does = role importance in mafia (or alignment, at the very least).

[iamausername]

With 6 days to the deadline do the non voters

(4 of you i believe there are and i am too lazy to look at who it is)

feel they have any read on someone to place their vote at? I would hate to see the 6 days drag out with little to no discussion.

I'm not.

CallMeLiam!
Yosarian2!
Ghostwriter!
CarnCarn!

Why are you not voting?

[Albert B. Rampage]

I haven't retracted ANYTHING I've said on day 2. I simply refuse to talk about my role any further as that detracts from actual scumhunting.

[Yosarian2]

With 6 days to the deadline do the non voters

(4 of you i believe there are and i am too lazy to look at who it is)

feel they have any read on someone to place their vote at? I would hate to see the 6 days drag out with little to no discussion.

I'm not.

CallMeLiam!
Yosarian2!
Ghostwriter!
CarnCarn!

Why are you not voting?

...I'm not?

(Reads back)

Huh. I thought I'd been voting for Albert all day, but perhaps not.

vote:Albert

[armlx]

Yes, but I think perhaps the wrong conclusion was reached. I agree with cd that the lynch and NKs showed that role important in game does = role importance in mafia (or alignment, at the very least).

You are drawing a conclusion from a sample size of 1 relevant dead person.

[CarnCarn]

CallMeLiam!
Yosarian2!
Ghostwriter!
CarnCarn!

Why are you not voting?

Fine. I've made it pretty clear who I am leaning towards ATM

Vote: ABR

Subject to change to TM if he doesn't provide some better explanation to my (and others') questions before the deadline.

[CarnCarn]

You are drawing a conclusion from a sample size of 1 relevant dead person.

No... we know the alignments and basic roles of 4 dead players:

Xtoxm,

Bugenhagen the Vanilla Townie

,

lynched day one.

iLord,

Reno the Turk Goon

, run through and shot Night One.
MisterStrife,

Barret the Watcher

, shot Night One.
Forbiddanlight,

Dio the Vanilla Townie

, shot Night One.

Barret, Dio, and Bugenhagen make sense as town, and Reno makes sense as part of a Turk mafia group. So, how is this not enough evidence to say that role names are an indication of alignment?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Okay...well I am Cid.

If it makes so much sense why don't you unvote me.

[armlx]

So, how is this not enough evidence to say that role names are an indication of alignment?

I'm not talking about alignment. I'm talking about role POWER. That's the only reason a potential real Cid wouldn't counter claim.