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[skitter30]

i am but there's something missing in ur logic there that i'm not getting

Your positioning on gypyx looks more like a buddy than toog, because of your positioning on me.

Because if you’re scum, you’re setting me up to flip me first, then toog, so it looks like a possible chaining of miselims. I still think gypyx is extremely scummy but less certain on that now because of Prism.

I don’t understand your confidence on scum!toog either, so there’s that.

these thoughts don't add up to 'toog is probably town if i'm scum'

[skitter30]

Here’s my concern with the toog scum reads. Is it possible toog can be scum here, sure but he’s scumread in almost every game, so I don’t like the confident scumreads on that slot.

toog-harley?

[skitter30]

Me on

Skitter

rn

hi

[Taly]

*emotionally breaks down*

[skitter30]

why does voting taly thru feel like a mistake lol

i mean i think it's fine but if u think that why are you voting him

[Ydrasse]

i dont know if theres a valid reason to feel like i shouldnt do it and if its just "wow i dont know anything right now this sucks"

[Morning Tweet]

"Perfect Balance"

Event Rules

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Statuses 5.0.5

Safely Across [0]

:

Crossing [0]:

Uncrossed [12]

:

petapan, ulyana, Ydrasse, Harley Quinn, SirCakez, skitter30, Gypyx, Toogeloo, Gammagooey, Dwlee99, Taly, Gamma Emerald

 

The game will end once 4 uncrossed remain.

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Decision 5.0.5

Taly [3]

:

Harley Quinn, Gamma Emerald, Ydrasse

petapan [1]

:

SirCakez

Dwlee99 [1]

:

Gammagooey

Not Voting [7]

:

petapan, ulyana, skitter30, Gypyx, Toogeloo, Dwlee99, Taly

 

With 12 contestants, it takes 7 to send someone across! You may only vote for uncrossed players.

If a decision is not made by deadline, plurality is in effect, broken by seniority. The deadline is in:

(expired on 2021-11-01 18:51:22)

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[Ydrasse]

tweetie she is purple color now

[skitter30]

Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

i mean true, i didn't see the blue pt, but i saw the pink pt and i was basing my understanding of the game from what i saw there
and i take issue with the fact that you're saying i was focusing more on the pt than why i found peta scummy, and i also described my peta read above more

[skitter30]

she has ascended to purplehood

[skitter30]

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

this is good tho

[skitter30]

*emotionally breaks down*

ah sorry :(

[Harley Quinn]

i am but there's something missing in ur logic there that i'm not getting

Your positioning on gypyx looks more like a buddy than toog, because of your positioning on me.

Because if you’re scum, you’re setting me up to flip me first, then toog, so it looks like a possible chaining of miselims. I still think gypyx is extremely scummy but less certain on that now because of Prism.

I don’t understand your confidence on scum!toog either, so there’s that.

these thoughts don't add up to 'toog is probably town if i'm scum'

I really don’t understand where you’re going with this at all, Either you’re town and we can trust your read on him is genuine or you’re scum and we can’t. It’s not exactly rocket science. What I will say is the more you keep pursuing this, the more I worry that you could be scum here because I just find this weird that of all the things you’re electing to focus on, it’s this.

[Taly]

don't worry it's far more light hearted and fickle than it sounds

[Harley Quinn]

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

this is good tho

scummish: Toog, Saber, Ydrasse
fight me scummo: Skitter

@gammagooey

are you still thinking this?

For the most part yeah, and definitely about skitter & Saber

On Skitter - Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

Ydrasse I like their posting this event but I still want to reread her and most people I townread more than her

Toog I'm probably fiiiine with not dying today but I don't think the Dunn/Toog interactions are impossible to fake and if he doesn't contribute actual posting in future events either I will try my damnedest to chuck him into the nearest meatgrinder before whatever this game's equivalent of LYLO is

oh jesus there are like 20 posts that happened while I was typing this

Skitter, why no comment on this?

[Morning Tweet]

TWEETIE, CONFIRM? Will we see a possible kill occur right after someone is voted to cross?

A kill may occur on a player who is "crossing" once the next player is nominated to cross.

[Harley Quinn]

TWEETIE, CONFIRM? Will we see a possible kill occur right after someone is voted to cross?

A kill may occur on a player who is "crossing" once the next player is nominated to cross.

UNVOTE:

[Taly]

TWEETIE, CONFIRM? Will we see a possible kill occur right after someone is voted to cross?

A kill may occur on a player who is "crossing" once the next player is nominated to cross.

How long does crossing take?!

Like, is it until the NEXT cross decision?

Or is it until the event itself ends?

[Gammagooey]

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

this is good tho

scummish: Toog, Saber, Ydrasse
fight me scummo: Skitter

@gammagooey

are you still thinking this?

For the most part yeah, and definitely about skitter & Saber

On Skitter - Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

Ydrasse I like their posting this event but I still want to reread her and most people I townread more than her

Toog I'm probably fiiiine with not dying today but I don't think the Dunn/Toog interactions are impossible to fake and if he doesn't contribute actual posting in future events either I will try my damnedest to chuck him into the nearest meatgrinder before whatever this game's equivalent of LYLO is

oh jesus there are like 20 posts that happened while I was typing this

Skitter, why no comment on this?

she did

Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

i mean true, i didn't see the blue pt, but i saw the pink pt and i was basing my understanding of the game from what i saw there
and i take issue with the fact that you're saying i was focusing more on the pt than why i found peta scummy, and i also described my peta read above more

[Harley Quinn]

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

this is good tho

scummish: Toog, Saber, Ydrasse
fight me scummo: Skitter

@gammagooey

are you still thinking this?

For the most part yeah, and definitely about skitter & Saber

On Skitter - Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

Ydrasse I like their posting this event but I still want to reread her and most people I townread more than her

Toog I'm probably fiiiine with not dying today but I don't think the Dunn/Toog interactions are impossible to fake and if he doesn't contribute actual posting in future events either I will try my damnedest to chuck him into the nearest meatgrinder before whatever this game's equivalent of LYLO is

oh jesus there are like 20 posts that happened while I was typing this

Skitter, why no comment on this?

she did

Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

i mean true, i didn't see the blue pt, but i saw the pink pt and i was basing my understanding of the game from what i saw there
and i take issue with the fact that you're saying i was focusing more on the pt than why i found peta scummy, and i also described my peta read above more

Saber I just reread a bit of and Harley's posting now is both a) better than it was last event when it was just random thoughts based on borderline no reading at all and b) still not good enough to not be faked by scum or to outweigh what I think looks slightly sketchy from Saber's posts regarding Dunn - Saber had Dunn as a 2nd from the bottom tier read for a while but didn't bother voting him until there were major wagons on both him & Toog, and early-game had a few statements/comments that redirected people away from Dunn.

this is good tho

This post only mentions Saber. I’m thinking that I will have to ISO her posts to show why the srs on her are wrong but I was really hoping that wouldn’t be necessary.

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

[Morning Tweet]

How long does crossing take?!

Like, is it until the NEXT cross decision?

Or is it until the event itself ends?

Only one player can cross at a time. Crossing ends once the next nomination is hammered.

[Taly]

UNVOTE:

omg I need to stop being conversational, I want to do analysis but I don't have the attention span

Someone force me to stfu and ISO.

i still don't have a good read on you and feel vaguely apprehensive but

let's try working together to go over people? i want someone to use as a sounding board this game and was hoping to use cakez but it seems like he doesn't have the time, and you seem to be the only other person with a strong inclination to tryhard right now. i want to feel like i'm not totally isolated in this game

Sure I'll reply in detail to your

Dunn

analysis to start and will not post again until that is out.

[Gammagooey]

speaking of which

Her latching onto 'No more than 1 scum in Pink' and 'something fucky happened in the Blue PT' without seeing the blue PT herself I dislike a LOT. It seemed like really shallow logic that she wouldn't give up on, and focusing on that instead of her actual reasons to find peta scummy outside of that just seemed like filler posting to me.

i mean true, i didn't see the blue pt, but i saw the pink pt and i was basing my understanding of the game from what i saw there
and i take issue with the fact that you're saying i was focusing more on the pt than why i found peta scummy, and i also described my peta read above more

Tbf reading back I think I missed a post or two where you went into slightly more detail in your peta read, but you were townreading him when unwnd asked you about him pre-Dunn flip, you were one of only two people to actually vote peta and get the wagon you wanted, and it felt like the effort you put into pushing for peta-scum and 'only 1 scum in the pink PT' felt comparable. Gemerald, as you have probably heard, got v. visibly irritated when he got ignored by most of Blue PT and had a strong town read nominated. You on the other hand, were one of TWO people in your group to actually get exactly what they wanted, and you had a town read on infinity, and what might have been your best chance to get rid of your scumread felt just lackluster when I would think most people in that position would push harder to rally people to vote out peta-scum.

[Taly]

i'm gonna start with dunn's iso because it's short and i will have an easier time focusing on it. this is going to be a more raw note taking style rather than working things into legible conclusions so as to be presentable, not how i'd normally post things but i'm just going to try to be as open with my process as i can be right now even if it is not necessarily the most readable and ventures into IIoA territory because i want to be thorough.

the interactions from dunn should be taken as supplemental to main reads on players rather than being the entire basis for a read. some of this stuff probably won't be important/readable. doesn't matter

173 - "And your motive is what?" to Taly

I saw this response as ignoring my 172 post entirely, but didn't think it AI.

175 - reply to dwlee about speculating on mechanics of first even, in response to something pooky said

177 is a significant post because it follows the narrative that scum actually wanted to drive scummy players into this decision. I remember

Saber

making a similar post.

Makes me think

Gamma

was the perfect player regardless of alignment. Theoretically, a scum-kingmaker makes a bus look attractive in retrospect, and scumread-town-kingmaker is good if the player doesn't PoE many town VS LHF or biased reads against other townies. I don't think all 4 scum was on him versus

Galron

, though.

That's not me agreeing with the post, I'm not sure scum would be able to sabotage in a way that is "get an extra kill" for balance reasons

I wonder if this is

Dunn

saying that scum knew they couldn't kill multiple players.

206 - "your reasoning doesn't add up here", shade in response to Cakez

This pushes my idea to

Gamma

-town because why would scum-

Dunn

incriminate themselves by pushing

Cakez

for wanting to trust a

Prism

-kingmaker but vote

Gamma

later?

This assumes

Dunn

is so consistent in scumplay, but the suspicion of

Cakez

at first glance isn't odd. I mean, why would

Dunn

indirectly argue V

Prism

-kingmaker if they were S/S?

208 - sarcastic eyeroll "i was scum in that game" in response to Toogeloo

Fluff.

210 - "I didn't want to believe that everybody advocating for self votes was town" this is an interesting comment. to my memory, the people who had been advocating some form of self vote, whether joking or not were prism/pooky/taly. i haven't fact checked this but if i had to make a snap judgment here i would say that this means the people who had been advocating some form of self vote in the early game

are

town

Love this take.

Dunn

seems to have a flaw in his scumplay of TMI'ing. I feel like his intent in the post above is to intercept credit on

Me/Pooky/Taly

by voting

Pooky

, questioning my motive, and barking at

Cakez

for pushing

Prism

.

It doesn't feel like he actually believes in his thought but is simply finding a reason to allow suspicion on a slot, I say this as there was no question or follow-up thought to illustrate anything deeper.

He could be distancing from

Prism

scumbuddy as to focus on a player like

Cakez

rather than

Prism

, but nothing else in his ISO suggests this.

218 - "what kill?" in response to dwlee
219 - "How am I supposed to interperet this?" in response to dwlee making a comment about among us mafia

Could be either way with his alignment with

Dwlee

. He shows little desire to resolve

Dunn

or inform him.

i325 - "So do you think the 3 in 290 are scum or not?" in response to gamma's early post voting pooky. questioning/joining the pile-on

This is really, really awkward as fuck. Because on one hand,

Dunn

could be testing the waters to get a green light to scumread

Gamma's

PoE because he doesn't actually have a stated position of these players, or push

Gamma

over backlash. Positing.

Kind of vexed that this flies over

Gamma's

head, slight negative on

Gamma

here but does

Dunn

-scum do this to a buddy so early?

415 - shading toogeloo over a joke post suggesting a galron elimination

Still don't get much from this

Toog

interaction.

416 - Galron asks why we're eliminating someone less than 24 hours into the game, dunn says "we're just voting" in response. nothing reply but maybe slightly unaligning just for the fact that he bothered to respond to him at all

Yeah this doesn't feel like scum/scum. I feel like

Dunn

would've formulated a stance rather than give an

"lol cause"

thought to a townie because it's passable.

417 - "I don't get why Gamma is tilted all of a sudden"

Stiff. Feels like scum painting an unfortunate narrative to a towny? It doesn't feel distance-y because it is met without resistance. I don't think scum challenges scum and then nothing happens usually, especially when

Gamma

is the main topic and a current suspect right now, so it's doubly easier for

Dunn

-scum to project the method of a kingmaker in a town-

Gamma

that is acting impulsively.

418 - this seems to be a response addressed to gamma despite quoting Galron, saying "We had a problem with your viewpoint, not the fact that you were playing serious"

This gives

Dunn/Gamma

coach-vibes but why does

Dunn

bother if

Gamma

was likely being nominated and S/S would want to have a kill in their pocket?

419 - re-quoting his old post and voting cakez. i think this is overall a good look for cakez

I'm inclined to agree but it feels premature at this moment.

1015 - cakez says "that said I see where you're coming from re; it not adding up for you" in response to dunn, dunn says "I'm not sure that you do?".

i think this is a very good look for cakez

Can you elaborate why

Peta

?

1031 - "I'm interested in hearing about Cephrir being scummy" in response to Prism's reads list. mild town points for that slot, i think

I can see that. It is likelier that

Dunn

wants to progress a TvT rather than encourage a buddy to sus somewhere other than where he is, because

Dunn

leaves the implication that he might vote

Ceph

in the end.

1035 - "Without looking at meta I disagree with this read" in response to Gamma voting ulyana

A little odd to defend

Ulya

because they don't seem in too much a threat either way but I'm wondering the motive on why scum defends scum here.

1049 - "I'm evil because I disagree with you is a lame take" in response to Gamma's

Hahaha, I'm far more interested in

Saber's

1047 being a soft-defense of

Dunn

and redirection to

Infinity/Skitter/Ydra

.

1040. the previous shade is iffy but

Do you think

Gamma/Saber

S/S is ever a reality,

Peta

? I know that implies

Dunn/Gamma/Saber

but

Dunn/Saber

either really wanted one of their own as a king, or manipulated a lot of

Gamma's

progression Event 1. Which is likelier?

1055 - this is shade on ceph, which is not relevant because ceph is dead but the form is at least notable as we see

Gamma

killed

Ceph

when

Galron

didn't work, hmmmm.

1082/1090 - response to Taly about how there's no power roles so there's no need to announce intent to hammer on Gamma Emerald, followed with a comment about how not every game needs to be painful, seemingly urging people to end the day.

i think that this is a good look for gamma unless we assume some amount of 5D chess taking place here, he seems to want to push people to kill gamma but is not positioning himself to take credit for a bus or anything of the sort

Dunn

pressed me here. :/ I agree with your take.

1093[post] - arguing with ceph, just taking note of this here because i do think dunn tends to interact/argue with his partners less

What little meta I have, this is likely correct on

Dunn

. Very muted as scum.

[post=1111]1111 - E-1 vote on Gamma Emerald

1420/1421 - posts on gamma voting himself into the chair. these are the ones pooky caught him on. honestly, the massive hedge here on gamma's alignment is something i would not say is a good look for gamma. in a vacuum it'd seem partnery. but it's just a single data point, other things look good

Perhaps let's look at

Saber/HQ

and another player's ISO after this?

At this point, it could just be

Dunn

backtracking from any set agenda, but I'm not leaving partner-interaction off the table, just unlikely with the surrounding posts.

1423 - "What happened to the multiple people who were willing to hammer Gamma?"
1464 - response to taly clarifying statements about gamma. "I'm pointing out that he had a chance to get into the chair if he wanted to"
1467 - response to pooky about gamma

that he felt the need to respond to both of these questions about his stance is mildly +town for taly given we know pooky was asking something similar

It just felt unnaturally pushy on his end. I don't know why he felt the desire to just hammer

Gamma

before he thread was fully ready. It felt like

Gamma

-king was pre-emptive in retrospect and I only picked this up on a surface level and didn't think to follow further.

1472 - "I'm not sure what you're getting at but I never said any of that." in response to Taly
1486 - response to Taly I think, of trying to explain himself about the wagon falling apart
1491 - clarification about who 1090 was aimed at

This never pacified my read on

Dunn

, btw. Words did not align with tone, but I didn't feel strong enough to assert, I also was focused on sorting

Ulya

.

1877 - gamma asks dunn about why he's responded to certain things, dunn gives a fairly neutral answer about not having read the whole game and

i, again, don't really like this that much for gamma. the question feels like a softball and dunn's response doesn't feel threatened

I don't feel one way or the other here.

Gamma

could be sincere in trying to identify his major vex but misses the mark.

At the same time I can see your POV, this is after

Gamma's

choices, and

Dunn

was well in his PoE.

1878 - "How many times this game has it been made clear that there are no town prs?" in response to Galron making a comment about a town PR dying. i don't want to rest too firmly on it but i'm not sure he'd be so quick to cut down a partner's fake dumbtell

It is anti-partnery and aligns with the T/S dynamic of

Dunn/Galron

I mentioned earlier in this post.

Makes me glad I came to the conclusion of

Dunn/(anyone but Unwnd)

duel.

1882 - there's an interaction with gamma here, 1881 initiating this. i think "ulyana is one of my only townreads in the game" is +town for ulyana simply because dunn would not feel like he would have the thread position to hard defend a partner. gamma again looks a bit weak from the interaction here, 1883 is obviously underwhelming.

I can see this... but it's interesting because this proposes a gamestate that scum have early-on been either protecting their buddy

Ulya

or just defending her as town unnecessarily.

Reminds me of the townreads I got early game.

~~~

I'll review the rest of your post tomorrow

Peta

.