Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[catboi]

Vote Count 2.02

Noraa (2):	Deimos27, redtea
Not_Mafia (1):	Tamora's Angel
Kop (1):	NorwegianboyEE
redtea (1):	Noraa
Not Voting (2):	Not_Mafia, Kop

With 7 alive, it's 4 to eliminate.

Deadline for Day 2 is November 1 at 4:30 PM EST. Deadline timer:

(expired on 2021-11-01 16:30:00)

[Deimos27]

Fascinating. See I happen to agree that redtea is individually scummier than NM and Kop which is why I voted them D1. But if the only coherent scumteam left for them is Kop it makes more sense fmpov to lim Kop, it's just superior PoE.

[Deimos27]

But also my tinfoil hat is making me wonder if this could still be Noraa + redtea

[Deimos27]

I think I will UNVOTE: and simply enter the Kop and NM waiting room for now.

@TA, chime in on my argument for limming Kop at some point. The TL;DR was that if you tr me, Norwee, and Noraa it only takes the additional premiss of not!(scum!redtea & scum!NM) to guarantee Kop-scum.

[Deimos27]

Consider my vote still symbolically on Noraa.
With NM in the game E-2 is equivalent to E-1 and I'm not taking even the tiny risk of this getting hammered while I'm not looking until I've seen

content

from him and Kop.

[Not_Mafia]

Some of these posts are suspicious

[Not_Mafia]

Some of these posts are suspicious

[Deimos27]

Who is scum

[NorwegianboyEE]

N_M is now using an disguised prod dodge.

[Deimos27]

I hope catboi counts that as still a prodge cause that's pretty unapologetic

[Not_Mafia]

Wow. So many of these posts are giving off vibes

[Not_Mafia]

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[Tamora's Angel]

@TA, chime in on my argument for limming Kop at some point. The TL;DR was that if you tr me, Norwee, and Noraa it only takes the additional premiss of not!(scum!redtea & scum!NM) to guarantee Kop-scum.

I can't go with not!scum NM. Noraa feels town by her play today but it's hard to trust after the hammer. I have seen those hammers come from town. That's why I am not voting Noraa.

So that leaves me with you and EE as solid town.

Pool of Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM.

That means looking through to see who I can eliminate.

[Deimos27]

You don't need to go with NM not being scum, you'd need to go with him not being scum with redtea.

[Deimos27]

In a pool of {redtea, Kop, NM} that's enough to guarantee Kop being scum. In a pool of {Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM) it guarantees at least 1 scum in {Noraa, Kop}

[Tamora's Angel]

I don't read the game like that unless absolutely forced to or scum are eliminated. With no content from NM it would be hard to eliminate him as partners with anyone.

[catboi]

Seeking a replacement for Kop. Force replacing Not_Mafia.

[catboi]

Vulture replaces Kop.

[Vulture]

Hi, haven’t been following, will catch up today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Force replacing Not_Mafia.

Based.

[Deimos27]

Niceee

[Deimos27]

I don't read the game like that unless absolutely forced to or scum are eliminated. With no content from NM it would be hard to eliminate him as partners with anyone.

Ok, I know I'm not in the majority by doing associatives without flips. Did you read the argument for why redtea's voting behaviour does imply they're not with NM though? I feel they should've voted Noraa instead of NM (back when they did so) if they were teammates with NM because they had been shading Noraa so much in the posts prior.

[Vulture]

I read and can go in depth after work, but I am both individually and teamreading redtea and Noraa as scum. Redtea is my preferred vote between the two, as I think Noraa’s personality and approach lends itself to being scumread from me.

But if they’re teamed they just came into today pushing on each other and hard distancing which is funny. I wasn’t sure about this but the pivot from Deimos to redtea was a ! moment.

VOTE: redtea

[Tamora's Angel]

I don't think hard distancing is the way scum act here when we're royally chasing our tails.

[Tamora's Angel]

In a pool of {redtea, Kop, NM} that's enough to guarantee Kop being scum. In a pool of {Noraa, redtea, Kop, NM) it guarantees at least 1 scum in {Noraa, Kop}

I don't follow this conclusion.