Mini 2247: Mountain Dew Mafia (Game Over)

[Cabd]

Vote Count 1-18

A nap a day makes me crave another dew, too~

Venus Fly Trap (6): Lady Lamdadelta,Gamma Emerald, Towelie, Dunnstral, MUSHSHAGANA, Critter

E. M. M. I. (1): Wisdom
Milk & Mocha (1): ssbm_Kyouko
Towelie (1): Venus Fly Trap
Dunnstral (1): Milk & Mocha
Gamma Emerald (1): StrangeMatter


Not Voting (2): Something_Smart, E. M. M. I.

With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to eliminate a flavor.

Current Deadline: (expired on 2021-11-02 20:02:57)

[MUSHSHAGANA]

If you won't give a reason, Wisdom, then I won't bother believing a word you have to say.

[Wisdom]

Yep blindly sheep lld, that will go well

[MUSHSHAGANA]

It's not blind but thanks so much for believing I am incapable of making my own decisions.

[Wisdom]

heya
sorry for my/our absence

i think the best thing to do here is explain what my reads are and then go from there
(i've not discussed these with lilith, she's still not feeling awesome):

Gamma Emerald - probably wasn't the best thing to cc there but the motivation + frustration + thought process behind it was townie

Towelie - don't know yet. i think bork is easier for me to read of the 2 of them but he's feeling more ~muted~ than i saw the last couple of times i've played with him. like town-him was p obvious in perpetual elo, and once i knew what scum-him looked like was also very easy to pick out in tenet. i'm not seeing that here yet. nothing in particularly scummy, but nothing that i can really point to that makes me think town either.

MUSHSHAGANA - townish. kinda feels like she's focusing on tangents that are slightly different than what everyone else is focusing on (i.e. the timing of her critter push, and the sm push, for example), but she's sorting things / following up on things that are important to her in the moment. can kinda tell from how she writes that there's a lot of thought going on behind the scenes

E. M. M. I. - scum. dislike its original dunn vote, and it's later discussion around the original wagon feels hollow. i think it's last post 420 should have been an unvote, but wasn't. feels like it doesn't know how to engage with the game

Milk & Mocha - the whole trolling thing is kinda disappointing and annoying. i want them to really play and not just be doing whatever they're doing. i can't tell who's posting when which is also really annoying and making it a lot harder to read them. was kinda half-following along last night and thought the whole thing was a trolly joke, gamma scumread kinda made sense in that context. or didn't really make sense exactly but kinda fit whatever they were doing. but at this point gamma's reaction is p clearly town so i kinda hate that they're doubling down on that read + the claim. dunno not seeing a lot to like here tbh

Venus Fly Trap - (will be) a shining beacon of towniness

Dunnstral - town. this isn't scum-dunn. he's engaged + trying to move the game along + there's a depth of nuance here that i think is uncharacteristic of scum-him + he has actual reads and is trying to develop them

Wisdom - getting townvibes. like his ssbm push.

Lady Lambdadelta - obvscum (i jest before people yell at me)

Something_Smart - underwhelming, not sure i have much to say here. if he keeps being underwhelming that's +scum for him

Critter - town. looks like he's really trying to understand the game + other people's mindsets. idk if his thought process always makes sense to me, but it amkes sense to him, which is what matters. like in some posts we get a little window into his thought process and how he's approaching the game and how he feels about it and i think it's real and townie (ex: 123 133 138, etc)

StrangeMatter - kinda scummy, and like focusing on the wrong things when they're here almost. or like the things that they're popping in to say are sort of ineffectual and aren't really motivated by trying to sort people or find scum.

Toogeloo/ssbm - conflicted: dunno if scum-toog picks that fight with ic-lld there + had some glimmerings of townpings on him prior to that. i don't tlike the ssbm iteration as much

~ skitter

Here let me do it lld style

VFT is townreading Gamma Critter and Dunnstral. Obvtown

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I agree that one looks sorta town. But that was a long time ago... one of the very first meaningful VFT posts in the entire game. That doesn't account for an extended spiral of increasingly weird, on-edge posts after LLD made her decision. I haven't seen more than maybe one vaguely townish post from VFT since Page 55.

I'm not saying people don't change when under pressure, that's obviously wrong. But I understand alignments better when people are under pressure as a general rule, and VFT under pressure smells like scum.

[Towelie]

UNVOTE: vft

Just putting the buffer back

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I just need a flip to make heads or tails of things, and probably on a contentious slot
VFT fits well for that I think, as does critter probably if we don't want VFT

[Wisdom]

Critter is even more obvtown

[Wisdom]

The only one ill compromise on is MM
Otherwise pick from emmi and strange

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'd personally HEAVILY prefer Critter to VFT, but with Critter stepping back I have to admit that's, in part, bias from just how disruptive Critter was to my attempting to make sense of the game.

I think VFT has (recently) felt more like scum at a gut level to me, though Critter has been more overt in scumminess.

In terms of raw flip data aggregation... I think Critter vs ssbm isn't theater or bussing, so I think a Critter flip is instructive there. I think a red VFT flip is also instructive on Critter, though, as well as giving some information on Towelie ... so a VFT flip is probably strictly better than a Critter flip.

[Wisdom]

Both flips are green and thus bad

[Wisdom]

Also 1804 was just mocking lld but lol at you thinking its serious

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I'm trying to engage the game in good fucking faith, Wisdom, so if you have no intention of doing that you can get in the scumpit with Critter and let the rest of us play the damn game.

[Wisdom]

Ive caught two scum and trying to fight stupid lims on town
If anyone should be in the pit its you

[Critter]

VOTE: Unvote

Since VFT won’t end the day no point in being there.

And you gave bring me to L-1 but whoever hammers is a scum claim

Then we elim in my PoE and call it a day.

Dare you MUSH. I dare you.

[Wisdom]

Can you just vote in your poe and stay there

[Critter]

For all this talk about how scum I clearly am no one wants to take credit for it because it’s scum driven bullshit

Put up or shut up

[Critter]

VOTE: Something Smart

Since I am the obstinate asshole might as well be on my top not Kyo scumread. Kyo’s elim requires my town flip before that will get taken seriously

[MUSHSHAGANA]

Wisdom, you've given NO ONE any reason to believe your reads are anything but pulled clean out of your ass. You could be rolling dice on the other side of the keyboard for all we know. How about, you know, showing the tiniest bit of reasoning for what you're trying to push instead of assuming that just repeating yourself and shading people who disagree will get results? How about instead of openly fucking mocking players who are trying to make arguments, come to conclusions and understand each other, you actually work with the other people in the goddamn game?

PEDIT: Critter...you make this game fucking miserable. I was starting to actually be able to focus my energy on the game instead of all the nonsense you create in your wake, but here you goddamn go again.

If LLD says we eliminate you, I will not shed a single tear, no matter what the flip is. You contribute nothing but noise and you contribute it by the boatload. You don't work with anyone and you don't let anyone work with anyone who isn't you, it's the same bullshit Wisdom gives except you're way louder about it. I /inned on this game to play a goddamn Mafia game, not have to suffer through this anti-town maximum-noise-ratio nonsense.

[Critter]

Wisdom, you've given NO ONE any reason to believe your reads are anything but pulled clean out of your ass. You could be rolling dice on the other side of the keyboard for all we know. How about, you know, showing the tiniest bit of reasoning for what you're trying to push instead of assuming that just repeating yourself and shading people who disagree will get results? How about instead of openly fucking mocking players who are trying to make arguments, come to conclusions and understand each other, you actually work with the other people in the goddamn game?

PEDIT: Critter...you make this game fucking miserable. I was starting to actually be able to focus my energy on the game instead of all the nonsense you create in your wake, but here you goddamn go again.

If LLD says we eliminate you, I will not shed a single tear, no matter what the flip is. You contribute nothing but noise and you contribute it by the boatload. You don't work with anyone and you don't let anyone work with anyone who isn't you, it's the same bullshit Wisdom gives except you're way louder about it. I /inned on this game to play a goddamn Mafia game, not have to suffer through this anti-town maximum-noise-ratio nonsense.

You’re just saying that because you don’t like the PoE dude

Before I was outed I was working with people

But now that I am outed I am not working with people

You’re just spinning the narrative Kyo fucking gave you by outing.

I have a PoE to LLD and asked her to meet me half way in like half the game.

But quite frankly it’s just the Math doesn’t work with people despite trying to find where the commonalities and being told I am not working with people

I explain why VFT is town and then just get “I don’t get it” an easy cop out

Fuck that back to work

[Wisdom]

What arguments? That's literally what lld gave as reasoning for emmi being town

[MUSHSHAGANA]

I don't even know who the hell you are, Critter. To the best of my knowledge we have never played a game together. I haven't read a single link to another game posted in this thread. I'm saying what I see with my own two eyes, goddamnit.

[Critter]

I am sorry that should be chica. And I don’t believe you.

[Gamma Emerald]

The only one ill compromise on is MM
Otherwise pick from emmi and strange

Out of those M&M is the only valuable flip imo
I’m trying to get a flip that will assist me in sorting the rest of this game. EMMI and SM don’t do that for me. Only other player that might be okay to flip would be Dunn.