Open 833: Twin Trap [Postgame]

[Save The Dragons]

Redtea isnt either

close enough

[NorwegianboyEE]

fun fact: I am a twin :3

Have you and your twin ever asked someone to play with us forever, and ever, and ever?

[Vulture]

Pretty sure that redtea’s just scum. The people calling him that are towny and this game has a weak little POE remaining.

[Noraa]

fun fact: I am a twin :3

I was not aware of this!!

[Noraa]

Pretty sure that redtea’s just scum. The people calling him that are towny and this game has a weak little POE remaining.

Why do you think redtea is scum

[Noraa]

Vulture is quickly destroying my TR on Kop. Regardless of redtea's alignment, I now see issues with vulture so maybe voting there today would be better.

I'm not sure but I'll think about it. For now UNVOTE: but I'm 100% there in spirit still.

I guess I still have a lot of issues with most of redtea's posts but that's because redtea has an advantage over vulture in that vulture has a pretty nothing nothing predecessor and has only been here for a little.

[Noraa]

shrug

[Vulture]

We should set NM to E-1 specifically so he is unable to do his self-vote opening

What makes you think N_M reads before he posts?

wake up babes new scum strat just dropped

Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?

I'm a little confused
but no it's not always town, but town is, numbers-wise, always the most likely elimination, as they are the majority

This is the Thing that made me pay attention to redtea initially. The wording is stilted to me ("I'm a little confused") and I guess it feels... dunno, something that's thrown in but it doesn't feel right. It's a weak beginning but having some insight as to what happens later as well (knowing the flips + wagon) made me have more attention on certain slots.

Two words: temporal scope.

If redtea said that it's likelier for town to be eliminated

today

because

they

are the majority, I'd be jumping for joy. But given that they instead made the generalised claim that town is

always

the likelier elimination, I see "they" as a far more natural and grammatical pronoun than "we", because games where redtea either isn't playing or isn't town-aligned are included in "always".

In fact I wouldn't be surprised if it was empirically +scum to use "we" in a context like that because such pronoun tells are fairly popular and something I know I've been self-conscious about before as scum, increasing the probability of making a sentence less grammatical for the sake of using the alignment-consistent pronoun.

My two cents.

oooh. Now I get it.
Well I'm sure glad there's someone smart here to make a concise defense. We would've ended up in a stupid 1v1 where I flail to try to convey this idea.

I feel like I'm usually pretty aware of my language when I'm offering game explanations like that, town or scum. I haven't scumslipped like that yet but ig there's a first time for everything.

This, too, is a stretch, I guess it feels like... pre-emptively defensive? "I would've flailed." Like, an excuse for stuff that didn't even happen which to me carries an implication of some kind of like... unmanifested guilt, is the best way to word this. Also the second part feels the same, maybe a bit cheeky.

I think redtea got slightly scummier over [their] last few posts btw

.....
i'm just. Going to let people on this list who've played more with me address this. I really don't see anything out of the ordinary, so if nothing else, it'll tell me who to scumread.

This, in conjunction with something else replied to Deimos27, makes me think that redtea is a bit afraid to engage Deimos in general and doesn't want to pick a fight/fall back on others for defense.

I haven't read up and dont really plan to but idk what ur on. NM has some pretty sexy reads despite the fact that he doesn't post much. So get ur facts straight.

true facts, he hasn't led me astray yet I think.
Then again I don't know if I've played against scum!NM recently if at all. For all I know scum!NM can't even be found without finding his buddies first. That's the impression I've been getting from others.

I want to vote the monkey. There's evidence to suggest he's evil, and his personality is not preferable.

VOTE: Almost50

Lol jk VOTE: Kop Let's figure out who's bad

I have time, let's talk. What should we discuss?

what made kop seem like a better start over a50?

personally, i keep trying to see if nm can be sorted early but i haven't been able to get that to happen yet.

More attention on NM, not inherently why redtea is scummy to me, but it feels important to highlight the weird stances that they take on him.

Is the first elimination always town? Because how are you supposed to know who's who?

Because I find it easier to believe that this is scum poorly faking noobtown than town with two completed games already still making such a noobish comment.

to me it seemed like Dorsey brought the question up because of having experienced a repeated pattern with limited data. That's how I understood it.

A small defense of Dorsey which I feel undermines what is already a weak vote on Dorsey.

Even for page 6 I think you are concerningly IIoA. There's an obsessiveness with self-meta and a complete absence of any semblance of an attempt to sort another player

Maybe because that's exactly what I was doing? Specifically shooting down weird analysis with easily accessible information?

okay, never mind. You're right. It's only worth anything if meta is something someone wants to or has the time to do. And if they don't then yeah, what I'm saying is useless. If I had accompanying commentary that didn't require that extra reading it would be one thing, but I didn't.

I got annoyed people don't automatically want to play the way I'm playing and it was dumb. If you pings were felt from whatever was in my first few posts you got pings. And if you get pings from THIS post, that's how it is.

I apologize.

^ This is what I meant by redtea wanting to placate Deimos: the apology and backing down when it comes to people who I think redtea might be afraid of, gamestate-wise. Deimos is townread by I think everyone, but rather than talking about it or going back and forth or anything redtea... tries to explain and apologize. Granted, there's a bit of snark to it, but even so including it at the end feels very... formal.

all I have to say is I'm wary of trying to read Deimos early after our last game so I'm not gonna have anything there for a while.

otherwsie- nope
but I can see how many people I can convince to vote nm with me VOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafiaVOTE: notmafia

looking at Dorsey's iso, I was hella ignored so
VOTE: Dorsey

is nm pocketing me?

Nah, I'm good

mod should let me vote twice just for this

(I didn't quote everything from redtea but I feel this little back and forth is giga-fucked.) Like oh, vanity vote on NM, a wagon pops up? Yeah I got ignored, choo-choo let's hop on. It doesn't feel justified given the early comment about Dorsey.

if norwee seems town he's probably scum
but trying to sort norwee early doesnt seem to turn out well so don't expect me to go after him

So are you null on him rn or what?

functionally

Day 2 I believe now for this, Deimos dragging out an answer that's clipped, wishywashy basis for the Norwee thing like "well I won't do it but here's some shade."

VOTE: Not_Mafia

lmao
why

didn't have any better ideas or?

fair enough ig
VOTE: Not_Mafia so he can show up and do something so I can unvote him again

nm death tunneled dunn in true love 1028 from the get go and he was on the money and i never forgot

then again it was like three months ago or something

This is... pretty horrible, honestly. Redtea has been voting NM before, expressed the want, spammed it, and then is like. "Why are you doing that you can't find anyone lol?" Like what in the world? It seems like Redtea forgot the stance or in the moment slipped towards trying to soft-defend NM/question why someone would go there when they... were trying to garner that attention before. And seems gloomy that someone is even testing the waters on it despite D1.

enough
VOTE: Nora's
if you flip town I won't be happy

And then this entire push on you, Noraa, is... it's perhaps the thing Redtea has believed in most during this game, and in a position where they are somewhat-scumread by people as are you, it is beneficial to push you over someone like, TA, Norwee, etc, who would both bite back and most likely not be eliminated over redtea. It's an easy pickings sort of deal as your name has been bandied about.

Basically, not a lot of real opinions, not a lot of want to push said opinions unless they're necessary, on the Dorsey wagon (I believe the people other than your hammer, tbh, were much townier than redtea), afraid of confrontation. In a game where I feel at this time there is a definition between towny people (Norwee, Deimos, and TA) and the rest, redtea stands out as the Worst Offender.

[Vulture]

But hey, there you go.

inb4 I was right when I joined it's redtea/Noraa and they both work together to get me elimmed today and 480's the walkback on a partner.

[Noraa]

But hey, there you go.

inb4 I was right when I joined it's redtea/Noraa and they both work together to get me elimmed today and 480's the walkback on a partner.

That's not how it works because then my scum buddy and i are mega fucked tomorrow but ok king

[Noraa]

I guess I still have a lot of issues with most of redtea's posts but redtea has an advantage over vulture in that vulture has a pretty nothing nothing predecessor and has only been here for a little.

there was a typo

[Vulture]

I mean, I've seen it and done it before. I don't think it's a good play, but it is one that's done.

[Noraa]

Like the thing is

Lets say im scum with redtea. There is no world in which I draw attention to redtea when he's floating by just fine. Was there pressure on redtea before I came along? Perhaps yes but barely. Not enough to ever have redtea even be considered "on the table" I have ZERO reason to be hard pushing my buddy. It would literally be better to just focus on pocketing town and stay neutral while saying stuff like "IDKK IM SO LOST IDK WHOSE SCUM TOWN COME GUIDE ME" Town are sympathetic. Town have a lot of empathy. Town is easy to fool because of all of that. Rather than taking the AtE route, scum me decides to just brute force my way through everything? sorry what? I'm literally known for my AtE and manipulation lmao.

[Noraa]

I mean, I've seen it and done it before. I don't think it's a good play, but it is one that's done.

lmao and you think my scum game is bad?

[Vulture]

Looking at the wagon, I think it is a possibility that the scum felt boxed into a degree.

Your scumgame has improved recently, but neither does it make you infalliable/unable to make subpar decisions.

[Vulture]

Basically tl;dr because I find arguing with you an exhausting headache at times, you are not a bad scum player but not omniscient, so a 'bad play' is possible. I am not pushing it as the most likely and my comment about your backtracking is mostly snark.

[Noraa]

Looking at the wagon, I think it is a possibility that the scum felt boxed into a degree.

Your scumgame has improved recently, but neither does it make you infalliable/unable to make subpar decisions.

Ur in an alt therefore you have no rights to talk about my meta
Sorry thats how it works

[Vulture]

I only made that comment because I have already slipped previously on this alt.

(:

[Noraa]

Bruh you can't do this. Like now I'm curious as fuck but I don't want to dig thru ur ten games to find it goddamn.
We aren't doing this today. Nahh

[Vulture]

Think carefully about how you want to engage me.

[Noraa]

Think about what?

[Vulture]

!

[Noraa]

All I know is that you don't know me and I don't know you so there's nothing to think about

[Noraa]

!

exactly

[Vulture]

All I know is that you don't know me and I don't know you so there's nothing to think about

Lmao.