Newbie 2082 - Game Over

[Greeting]

You know what? Normally, I don’t do this but this time I think it’s worth it.

Put me at E-1 and I’ll hammer myself. On the condition that you vote out Val89 the next day.

The offer’s on the table. Of course that means we’ll lose one townie, but the beauty of being a VT (yes, this is a claim) is that my sacrifice wouldn’t necessarily be bad for town. And if it takes down a scum then I think it’s worth it.

I don't remember you reacting this explosively to getting tunneled in our last game. What's up?

I really don’t like Val’s entrance to this game and I’m convinced that it’s in our best interest to vote them out.

[igorsprite]

do you guys have any idea of what i should do? '^'

[catboi]

I kind of like MafMen on page 7. No concrete way of explaining it, just do. Feels real enough.

[catboi]

Val's tunnel and points against greeting regarding setup nonsense are mostly lousy and don't really make any good reason for Greetign being actually scum. I grow tired of reading them.

[catboi]

My take on the situation is that Maf, psuedo and igfor are in a dark little triangle of their own, and I have difficulty seeing through. At this stage I'd be most comfortable limming out of those 3. Plus their newbieness muddies everything up.
And implosion seems a little too distant for my liking. Hope we hurry up with Margot coming back or her replacement.

I'm going to sheep implosion on this, this is a very scummy post. I have no other strong scumreads right now, nya. (一。一;;）

VOTE: Thynhith

[implosion]

do you guys have any idea of what i should do? '^'

It'd potentially help if you were more open with your thought process; this isn't *as* important in this game as it would be in an average game since your claim makes you very likely town, but it could help if you gave more examples of things you agreed/disagreed with, found indicative of people being townish/scummy, etc.

Right now I'm generally happy with the game state; I have no particular impetus to do much until Thynhith is able to post more and respond to the pressure on him.

[catboi]

Where'd everyone go (T_T)

[Val89]

Val's tunnel and points against greeting regarding setup nonsense are mostly lousy and don't really make any good reason for Greetign being actually scum

"Mostly lousy". That's interesting.

I don't think there is much room for ambiguity on this one - either you are with MafMen and Greeting, and think it's perfectly fine to speculate on the setup and pseudoclaim VT, as long as it can be handwaved way as possibly being a bit of WIFOM, or you understand why it isn't.

I would have thought since you played in 2073, and you probably remember the eventual alignment of the slot that started that business (although, I do understand if you would also prefer to forget that game ever took place!) you would understand why I have taken an issue with it here.

As it happpens, Greeting has now explicitly claimed VT.

@Catboi:

Do you think a) that's a good play, and b) it's alignment-indicative in any way, and why?

[Greeting]

Val89 cosying up to catboi. Wonder what the response will be.

[Greeting]

As much as I'd like to see Val89 voted out, I don't think we have a majority for that now. What's the case on Thyhinth? I see them as mostly towny.

[Greeting]

I know this is activity-based meta, but I see frogsfrogs online most of the time I'm around and they have almost three times less posts than I do. They aren't posting in any other games. What's up with that? In 221, Val89 strongly townread frogs, without really saying why.

Maybe I'm being paranoid about this, but I think it should be pointed out.

[Val89]

Well, if we are going to open that door; I've noticed that both you and MafMen are routinely hiding your online status.

Given that it appears activity-based meta is something you think worth pointing out, are you hoping to hide something that way?

[Greeting]

I’m... not hiding my online status.

[Greeting]

I don’t know about MafMen. Seems weird that you’d ask me to speak for them.

[Val89]

Well, perhaps there is some special circumstances I am unaware of, but I noticed you and MafMen were the only players in this game that don't appear in the "Registered Users", despite obviously being online because you are posting. I inferred from that you were both routinely hiding your status, but I accept there might be another explanation.

I noticed because I have also saw frogfrog online often without posting; but I've seen igorsprite do so just as often, and I note you haven't brought that up at all. Is that because it doesn't help sell ythe narrative you are trying to weave around this?

I found it odd you were trying to make something of this, when firstly, I have never really considered it indicative of anything, but if it was, then a slot that was hiding thier own online status trying to draw an adverse inference from the online status of players who were openly displaying it seemed a little suspect; but if there is an alternative explanation as to why you don't appear, then I recind.

[igorsprite]

do you guys have any idea of what i should do? '^'

It'd potentially help if you were more open with your thought process; this isn't *as* important in this game as it would be in an average game since your claim makes you very likely town, but it could help if you gave more examples of things you agreed/disagreed with, found indicative of people being townish/scummy, etc.

Right now I'm generally happy with the game state; I have no particular impetus to do much until Thynhith is able to post more and respond to the pressure on him.

hmm... i think that greeting is sus because he is talking too much and that self hammer thing was weird, and i sus frogsfrogs too for sitting on the fence. for the others i don't have any specific thoughts

[igorsprite]

i'm town and i hide my status, so i don't think that is a valid point

[Val89]

i'm town and i hide my status, so i don't think that is a valid point

That fact that it is non-alignment indicative is exactly my point. You do appear on the list of registered users online quite often without posting, however. I wonder if we are talking about different things.

In any case, I think there is plenty to suspect Greeting for without the need to worry about activity patterns or the like. I think the fact he brought it up at all was a simple attempt to try and hang something, anything, to cover the fact his case against me is based purely on OMGUS; but he has already said as much in 225.

[Greeting]

This must be a problem on your part, because I see myself appearing there quite clearly. I'm aware that you can hide your online status, but I have no reason to do so.

[Greeting]

do you guys have any idea of what i should do? '^'

It'd potentially help if you were more open with your thought process; this isn't *as* important in this game as it would be in an average game since your claim makes you very likely town, but it could help if you gave more examples of things you agreed/disagreed with, found indicative of people being townish/scummy, etc.

Right now I'm generally happy with the game state; I have no particular impetus to do much until Thynhith is able to post more and respond to the pressure on him.

hmm... i think that greeting is sus because he is talking too much and that self hammer thing was weird, and i sus frogsfrogs too for sitting on the fence. for the others i don't have any specific thoughts

But you don't think Val89 or MafMen are sus for doing the exact same thing?

Sure, self-hammer play is controversial, but it doesn't make sense for me to do that while being scum.

If I'm scum, get put at E-1 and do as I said I would, then I will flip scum and no one will listen to what I had to say. Or they will be trying to find out whom I was protecting or deflecting attention from. Also, my team will now consist of just one player.

If I'm put at E-1 and don't do as I said I would, that will be suspicious in its own right and most likely someone else will hammer me anyway. And in the unlikely case that town is unable to find any other player to hammer me, then this will be brought up against me for the rest of the game.

Sounds like pretty poor deal for a scum to be fair. I wouldn't have done that if I were scum or a town PR. It would be unlikely for me to do that in most games, but like I said multiple times before, I think this time it's worth it.

[igorsprite]

But you don't think Val89 or MafMen are sus for doing the exact same thing?

yes but i think it's the feeling, you called more my attention

Sure, self-hammer play is controversial, but it doesn't make sense for me to do that while being scum.

If I'm scum, get put at E-1 and do as I said I would, then I will flip scum and no one will listen to what I had to say. Or they will be trying to find out whom I was protecting or deflecting attention from. Also, my team will now consist of just one player.

If I'm put at E-1 and don't do as I said I would, that will be suspicious in its own right and most likely someone else will hammer me anyway. And in the unlikely case that town is unable to find any other player to hammer me, then this will be brought up against me for the rest of the game.

Sounds like pretty poor deal for a scum to be fair. I wouldn't have done that if I were scum or a town PR. It would be unlikely for me to do that in most games, but like I said multiple times before, I think this time it's worth it.

you proposed that because you will not be at E-1, and saying that scum would not do something isn't valid because you could be scum and do that u.u

[frogsfrogs]

I know this is activity-based meta, but I see frogsfrogs online most of the time I'm around and they have almost three times less posts than I do. They aren't posting in any other games. What's up with that? In 221, Val89 strongly townread frogs, without really saying why.

Maybe I'm being paranoid about this, but I think it should be pointed out.

Is this a normal line of questioning in long-form mafia? I don't know if it is but I don't really like this post. Does not seem substantial and I'd say this if it weren't about myself either.
I'm 1. not sure how having my game tab open all the time interacts with online status, but 2. self admittedly a complete newbie. TT_TT I don't think I check in as often as you're saying but at times I

do

catch up on reading and have no idea what to say and share. That's true!

I can admit to doing a bit of actual lurking today, if that's what you're accusing, though, with seemingly no one around and my current suspicion fully away from the game. Again, didn't want to retred the previous discussion either.

As much as I'd like to see Val89 voted out, I don't think we have a majority for that now. What's the case on Thyhinth? I see them as mostly towny.

His most decisive attempt to scumhunt was with the MafMen wagon, taking up most of his posts, but other than that he's been extremely general when he's given reads. 104 and 83 and 216 are examples. Why does he only say "something" about the argument between you and Val89 "irks him"?? I don't think his town advice posts have been necessarily alignment indicative either, and he and Val have each been referencing a past game for some meta behavior arguments.

[Val89]

Sure, self-hammer play is controversial, but it doesn't make sense for me to do that while being scum.

It certainly makes sense for you to

threaten

to do so as scum at this point, early, when there isn't much of a wagon building on you.

It makes sense because you can then go ahead and make this exact post - but the logic present only comes in to play if you ACTUALLY get put to the test. I would perhaps buy it if you were at E-2, or something, but you aren't, and I think you are trying to bank on the fact that it might buy you just enough unjustified towncred to avoid getting there.

You acknoledge that the play is anti-town, because you say it's worth it this time - I can only assume because you are just so

sure

that I am scum, and a scum worth taking out on D2, even at the expense of your own life - and yet, when questioned, your reasons for such amount to what? You "really didn't like my enterance".

I just don't see how that's a reasonable conclusion, and thus I think this isn't about me at all; it's about you, and trying to buy some towncred as soon as you come under pressure. If you aren't scum, then you running around acting like some sort of loose cannon and compounding the mistakes already made this game to reduce the chances of a town victory; this self-hammer malarky, the early VT claim, the wild and totally off-base reads, etc and frankly we can do without you anyhow.

I'm willing to put this to the test; which is why my vote remains where it is. Anyone care to join me?

[frogsfrogs]

I absolutely cannot see why Val would be scum and have posted the way/what he has so far. That sus from Greeting is my largest point of confusion with him, so yes, I'd really like for him to elaborate on the read, too.

[MafMen]

You know what? Normally, I don’t do this but this time I think it’s worth it.

Put me at E-1 and I’ll hammer myself. On the condition that you vote out Val89 the next day.

The offer’s on the table. Of course that means we’ll lose one townie, but the beauty of being a VT (yes, this is a claim) is that my sacrifice wouldn’t necessarily be bad for town. And if it takes down a scum then I think it’s worth it.

awesome
go ahead and completely contradict everything i said in one post
thats great